2013 Eagles Draft thread.

[1908_Cubs]

You realize Randall Cobb only played QB his freshman year right? Come on Mr. Kentucky I didn't have to school you on that too right? So for every Randel-El there is there's 10 Eric Crouch's. I'll pass on another "project". We have actual holes to fill and don't have the luxury of taking these lottery tickets.

I'm sorry, did Randall Cobb not go from QB to WR? Who said it had to be an NFL transition? Yes, I know who he is, I watched literally, every snap he ever played here. He was a QB. He had literally never played WR or returned a punt or a kick in his life prior to his freshman season (as he was the QB here AND the PR/KR). Now Robinson isn't as good as Cobb ever was, wont be at the NFL level, either. But there's more than enough players in the NFL today who have made that transition, despite the failures, that gives Robinson more than the ability to make that transition.

Johnson is an awful KR/PR. Awful. Don't care what he did at college any more, he's proven more then enough times at the NFL level last year that's worthless.

And I've never said "OMG DRAFT HIM OR ELSE", I said he's the kind of player you "do your due diligence on".

You're not going to fill many holes with the 4th round pick no matter what. Go look at any random year and look at the 4th round. I did 2008, for ***** and giggles. Tyvon Branch is a very good player. The 2nd best? Maybe the same Mike McGlynn we were saddled with one season who's a backup center, or maybe Tashard "I'm barely a 3rd string RB" Choice, or even maybe my boy from Kentucky Jacob Tamme, who's really only claim to fame is that Peyton Manning likes him enough to throw him the ball some times. Outside of that it's scrubs. In 2007 you find two pro-bowl type interior linemen in Free and Bushrod, a backup RB in Bush and....nothing. 2006, one of the better years, you find Owen Daniels, Jahri Evans, Brandon Marshall (and a FB in Michael Robinson, a return specialist in Washington, and Gostowski, the kicker). Then a whole lot of nothing. Antwan Randle-El type of an outcome as a fourth round pick is almost, every year, going to be on the 5-7 best players to come out of the 4th round.

If the staff thinks that the upside of Robinson as a KR/PR or a screen type receiver (Chip Kelly loves him some WR screens off of PA) is the best they're going to get in the fourth round, it's not a bad selection. It doesn't have to be the pick, but neither the crappy, crappy return man that Johnson is, nor some of the past failed conversions should make them shy away from him.

[JOhnnyTHaJet]

Hey guys, I'm doing a big mock draft over on another site and I am representing the Eagles (although I am a Jets fan).

What would you say your biggest needs are going into April? It's clear you need a corner and probably some interior help but besides that I can't get a full gage on what exactly your issues are as a whole.

Appreciate it.

[godunkadunk8]

I'm sorry, did Randall Cobb not go from QB to WR? Who said it had to be an NFL transition? Yes, I know who he is, I watched literally, every snap he ever played here. He was a QB. He had literally never played WR or returned a punt or a kick in his life prior to his freshman season (as he was the QB here AND the PR/KR). Now Robinson isn't as good as Cobb ever was, wont be at the NFL level, either. But there's more than enough players in the NFL today who have made that transition, despite the failures, that gives Robinson more than the ability to make that transition.

Johnson is an awful KR/PR. Awful. Don't care what he did at college any more, he's proven more then enough times at the NFL level last year that's worthless.

And I've never said "OMG DRAFT HIM OR ELSE", I said he's the kind of player you "do your due diligence on".

You're not going to fill many holes with the 4th round pick no matter what. Go look at any random year and look at the 4th round. I did 2008, for ***** and giggles. Tyvon Branch is a very good player. The 2nd best? Maybe the same Mike McGlynn we were saddled with one season who's a backup center, or maybe Tashard "I'm barely a 3rd string RB" Choice, or even maybe my boy from Kentucky Jacob Tamme, who's really only claim to fame is that Peyton Manning likes him enough to throw him the ball some times. Outside of that it's scrubs. In 2007 you find two pro-bowl type interior linemen in Free and Bushrod, a backup RB in Bush and....nothing. 2006, one of the better years, you find Owen Daniels, Jahri Evans, Brandon Marshall (and a FB in Michael Robinson, a return specialist in Washington, and Gostowski, the kicker). Then a whole lot of nothing. Antwan Randle-El type of an outcome as a fourth round pick is almost, every year, going to be on the 5-7 best players to come out of the 4th round.

If the staff thinks that the upside of Robinson as a KR/PR or a screen type receiver (Chip Kelly loves him some WR screens off of PA) is the best they're going to get in the fourth round, it's not a bad selection. It doesn't have to be the pick, but neither the crappy, crappy return man that Johnson is, nor some of the past failed conversions should make them shy away from him.

I'll give you that. If Chip wants him bad enough then I'll back the pick. Honestly in Chip I trust. After years of Andy's failures the new regime deserves that. And I only mentioned Cobb to get you heated. Cobb is a freakin' dream boat, imagine him in Kelly's offense.

[godunkadunk8]

Hey guys, I'm doing a big mock draft over on another site and I am representing the Eagles (although I am a Jets fan).

What would you say your biggest needs are going into April? It's clear you need a corner and probably some interior help but besides that I can't get a full gage on what exactly your issues are as a whole.

Appreciate it.

If Joeckel is there #4 we'll take him. He won't be there though. If Star Lotulelei is there #4 we'll take him since it seems we're transitioning to the 3-4. If both Joeckel and Star are gone I would probably prefer Dee Milliner. We are going to need a CB and he is definitely the top one in this class. I wouldn't hate Chance Warmack either but we're not taking a guard 4th overall.

[1908_Cubs]

I'll give you that. If Chip wants him bad enough then I'll back the pick. Honestly in Chip I trust. After years of Andy's failures the new regime deserves that. And I only mentioned Cobb to get you heated. Cobb is a freakin' dream boat, imagine him in Kelly's offense.

You are telling me. Cobb was always that kid at college that you just knew was going to be amazing at the NFL level. I watched him take Auburn with Cam Newton to the brink....by himself. Auburn never came closer to losing than when they had to drive on us at the end of the game to kick a GW field goal and it was only due to a 2nd half from a player I've never seen. It was either that, or the game where Randall Cobb scored a TD 3 ways: throwing, receiving and on a PR.



But yeah the way I look at it is this: if Robinson has Randle-El in him, and Chip thinks he's an asset on offense, I say go for it. Mainly because I don't think there's a more creative mind offensively right now than Chip Kelly. Now, that could change if he proves that his creativity doesn't translate, but right now, I'll believe in him.

[JOhnnyTHaJet]

If Joeckel is there #4 we'll take him. He won't be there though. If Star Lotulelei is there #4 we'll take him since it seems we're transitioning to the 3-4. If both Joeckel and Star are gone I would probably prefer Dee Milliner. We are going to need a CB and he is definitely the top one in this class. I wouldn't hate Chance Warmack either but we're not taking a guard 4th overall.

So if somehow Joeckel IS there, as an Eagles fan, you'd say to take him even though you guys have Peters? (Just clearing that point up). And would Jenkins move over the the 3-4 End role while Star would play the NT?

[godunkadunk8]

So if somehow Joeckel IS there, as an Eagles fan, you'd say to take him even though you guys have Peters? (Just clearly that point up). And would Jenkins move over the the 3-4 End role while Star would play the NT?

Yeah Peters is coming off the double achilles rupture. As Eagles fans of course we hope he returns full force because when healthy he may be the best Tackle in the NFL but it's far from a certainty he returns without any setbacks. Best case we get Joeckel and he and Peters are the best Tackle combo in the league, Peters can be eased back in at RT (where he has played before) and Herremans then slides inside to guard (where he has also played before.) That would take us from one of the worst O-lines last year with our injuries to quite possibly the best O-line with Joeckel, Mathis, Kelce, Herremans, Peters. Unfortunately, I think Joeckel goes #1. However, if we can get Star at #4 then I'll be just as thrilled.

Star would be a great fit because if we're moving to the 3-4 we need that big time NT and the only guy currently on the roster to maybe even be able to play NT is Antonio Dixon. Cox and Jenkins will be our ends in the 3-4 assuming Jenkins isn't cut.

[godunkadunk8]

You are telling me. Cobb was always that kid at college that you just knew was going to be amazing at the NFL level. I watched him take Auburn with Cam Newton to the brink....by himself. Auburn never came closer to losing than when they had to drive on us at the end of the game to kick a GW field goal and it was only due to a 2nd half from a player I've never seen. It was either that, or the game where Randall Cobb scored a TD 3 ways: throwing, receiving and on a PR.



But yeah the way I look at it is this: if Robinson has Randle-El in him, and Chip thinks he's an asset on offense, I say go for it. Mainly because I don't think there's a more creative mind offensively right now than Chip Kelly. Now, that could change if he proves that his creativity doesn't translate, but right now, I'll believe in him.

Agreed. Sorry if I came off hostile in my previous posts. And I also want to make my hate for the Honey Badger known now. He is Jeremy Bloom to me without the sweet white guy factor and Olympic story.

[JOhnnyTHaJet]

Would you guys be comfortable with Jarvis Jones over Milliner? (If Star is gone of course). Since you're moving into a 3-4 set I don't see many guys who can stand up and pass rush, Jones seems perfect for that.

[1908_Cubs]

Agreed. Sorry if I came off hostile in my previous posts. And I also want to make my hate for the Honey Badger known now. He is Jeremy Bloom to me without the sweet white guy factor and Olympic story.

All good. Same here. I cannot stand him.

Forgive the return hostility. It'll happen from me . It's never anything personal, I'm just very competitive...at everything.

[last stand]

As long as they don't confuse themselves into thinking denard is a qb. But I've been advocating for a while drafting him as a WR in the 5th

[godunkadunk8]

Would you guys be comfortable with Jarvis Jones over Milliner? (If Star is gone of course). Since you're moving into a 3-4 set I don't see many guys who can stand up and pass rush, Jones seems perfect for that.

I like Jarvis Jones but I'd prefer Milliner over him. If we let DRC walk and cut Aso then we need a CB badly. We can at least hope Graham, Curry, Hunt and maybe even Cole can make the transition to OLB. I think it'll be easier to find a pass rushing OLB later in the draft or in FA than it would be to find a starting caliber CB later in the draft or in FA.

[ScoPo18]

Would you guys be comfortable with Jarvis Jones over Milliner? (If Star is gone of course). Since you're moving into a 3-4 set I don't see many guys who can stand up and pass rush, Jones seems perfect for that.

I agree with most of what godunkadunk has said, but if Joeckel and Star are gone by #4, I'd probably rather have Jones or Werner over Milliner. I don't trust Bama CBs in the NFL too much, and even though I think Milliner will be good, I don't like him at #4.

I think Nnamdi will do better under a better DC who properly utilizes him, and am hoping we bring back DRC and find a way to light a fire under him. Under Nnamdi and DRC we still have Boykins and Marsh, who showed some flashes last year and could potentially still be starters.

I'd go LB because a playmaker like Jones, is just what our D would need switching to a 3-4. Our current linebacker core outside of Kendricks isn't anything to get excited about, and although you'd be working in guys like Graham, Cole, and Curry in pass rushing situations, I still couldn't take a Bama corner over a guy like Jones.

[ScoPo18]

I think Nnamdi will do better under a better DC who properly utilizes him

Also add, PAIRED WITH BETTER SAFETY PLAY

[Randall Stevens]

Hey guys, I'm doing a big mock draft over on another site and I am representing the Eagles (although I am a Jets fan).

What would you say your biggest needs are going into April? It's clear you need a corner and probably some interior help but besides that I can't get a full gage on what exactly your issues are as a whole.

Appreciate it.

OT is biggest need (everyone wants to just move Herremans back to G), then NT because like all others said, Eagles are most likely going 3-4. Id get a Rush LB in the following rounds. Also think this team should give Marsh or Hughes some time at CB before drafting a Bama Boy at #4, both have looked good when filling in.

Dont know if you can trade down in the type of mock youre doing, but if Luke isnt there, I think trading down a couple spots and getting Eric Fisher along with some extra picks is a very smart move.