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    Quote Originally Posted by clayamtion View Post
    These are two totally different scenarios.
    Reyes was coming off a down year and Wright & Dickey aren't. That's why they are negotiating a year before they become free agents.
    you're grasping here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fanofclendennon View Post
    you're grasping here.
    You can always find 'differences' if you want too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fanofclendennon View Post
    you're grasping here.
    2010-.282/.321/.428/.749


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    Quote Originally Posted by clayamtion View Post
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    Those numbers are out of context and you know it, based on his missing most of the previous season and all of Spring Training. Fact is, once he was back on top of his game by early May, he was as good as he always was.
    "Mr. Martin Tanner, Baritone, of Dayton, Ohio made his Town Hall debut last night. He came well prepared, but unfortunately his presentation was not up to contemporary professional standards. His voice lacks the range of tonal color necessary to make it consistently interesting. Full time consideration of another endeavor might be in order."

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    Quote Originally Posted by fanofclendennon View Post
    Those numbers are out of context and you know it, based on his missing most of the previous season and all of Spring Training. Fact is, once he was on top of his game by early May, he was as good as he always was,
    2nd half 2010-.293/.325/.448/.773
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    Quote Originally Posted by clayamtion View Post
    These are two totally different scenarios.
    Reyes was coming off a down year and Wright & Dickey aren't. That's why they are negotiating a year before they become free agents.
    They are negotiating with Wright and Dickey a year before they become free agents precisely because they don't want to repeat what happened with Reyes. It has nothing to do with a down year or a good year.

    They had reservations about length of contract with Jose, but they figured so did everyone else, and they thought they would be able to resign him in the end. They obviously miscalculated. They do not want to make the same mistake with Wright or Dickey.

    Despite what Jeff states are theiir #1, 2 & 3 scenarios, if they can't reach extension agreements with either of them, they are gone. Either they'll trade them at or after the winter meetings, or of they can't get their price, they'll go into the season with them and trade them in July. Believe me, they won't just let them walk at the end of next season without getting something in return.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dunbummin View Post
    They are negotiating with Wright and Dickey a year before they become free agents precisely because they don't want to repeat what happened with Reyes. It has nothing to do with a down year or a good year.

    They had reservations about length of contract with Jose, but they figured so did everyone else, and they thought they would be able to resign him in the end. They obviously miscalculated. They do not want to make the same mistake with Wright or Dickey.

    Despite what Jeff states are theiir #1, 2 & 3 scenarios, if they can't reach extension agreements with either of them, they are gone. Either they'll trade them at or after the winter meetings, or of they can't get their price, they'll go into the season with them and trade them in July. Believe me, they won't just let them walk at the end of next season without getting something in return.
    2009-.279/.355/.395/.750
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    He was injured in 2009 and had a Thyroid problem in both of those two years.

    That's why they didn't negotiate with a year remaining on his contract.

    Dickey and Wright have had much better previous seasons. And why they are negotiating with them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by clayamtion View Post
    2nd half 2010-.293/.325/.448/.773
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    Obviously he was better in 2011 but he still showed enough in 2010 to merit an extension.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fanofclendennon View Post
    Obviously he was better in 2011 but he still showed enough in 2010 to merit an extension.
    After being injured and having a thyroid?


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    Reyes coming off a down year was a perfect time to extend him. It's called buying low.

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    For what?


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    Quote Originally Posted by clayamtion View Post
    2009-.279/.355/.395/.750
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    He was injured in 2009 and had a Thyroid problem in both of those two years.

    That's why they didn't negotiate with a year remaining on his contract.

    Dickey and Wright have had much better previous seasons. And why they are negotiating with them.
    The thyroid thing was just diagnosed in 2010...and then it was fine. That's not why they didn't re-sign him.

    It had a lot to do with the new FO coming on board and Reyes not being particularly good over the prior 2 seasons. For a team with money issues its understandable to an extent that the new FO didn't rush into throwing an extension to a guy who didn't play all that well or very often.

    The FO might not have even been allowed to spend even if they wanted to

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raspy44 View Post
    The thyroid thing was just diagnosed in 2010...and then it was fine. That's not why they didn't re-sign him.

    It had a lot to do with the new FO coming on board and Reyes not being particularly good over the prior 2 seasons. For a team with money issues its understandable to an extent that the new FO didn't rush into throwing an extension to a guy who didn't play all that well or very often.

    The FO might not have even been allowed to spend even if they wanted to
    We are discussing the 2011 off season, not last off season.


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    Quote Originally Posted by clayamtion View Post
    For what?
    5 years 60 million? I think he would have taken that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clayamtion View Post
    2009-.279/.355/.395/.750
    2010-.282/.321/.428/.749

    He was injured in 2009 and had a Thyroid problem in both of those two years.

    That's why they didn't negotiate with a year remaining on his contract.

    Dickey and Wright have had much better previous seasons. And why they are negotiating with them.
    Thyroid problem, hamstring problem, constipation . . the bottom line is they still wanted to retain him. They totally misjudged the market. If they had it to do over, they would extend him before he had a chance to walk. Now they have a chance to do it over with David and R.A.

    Naturally, you don't try to extend mediocre players. But it is stupid to make contract decisions like that based on a single season's performance. Do you think they signed Niese to an extension in 2012 because he had a fabulous 2011?
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