Organizational Philosophy Discussion Thread

[StrandedCub]

Yeah, what davell said. Nobody receives picks from another team anymore, at least not technically. Say we were drafting 23rd this year and signed Bourn. The Braves don't get our 23rd pick. Instead that 23rd pick just goes away and the Braves receive a sandwich pick between the 1st and 2nd round.

Yeah, I essentially just repeated what he said with slightly different wording. Not sure why I did that. Move on.

[huff]

So wouldnt it make some sense to try and acquire Ellsbury now via trade and pass on Bourn, keeping the 2nd round pick and work with Boras to lock him up before the deadline? Just a thought..then make a qualifying offer at the end of the year(if not traded) to get the supplemental?

[davell]

Boras isn't a guy that lets his playets get this close without testing FA. Not sure I understood the rest of your wording though. At any rate, the Red Sox evidently set a pretty high price on him, hence why he wasn't dealt.

[SenorGato]

Huff is singing a song that make my penis hard. Don't care if Ellsbury never puts up a 2011 again, I buy the gains he's made in his game and think he's a star level talent that will remain a star level talent.

I wonder what it would take to get him given his injury history and only one year of control...

[SenorGato]

Boras just wants his guys paid, don't think he cares what avenue it comes from.

[huff]

Boras isn't a guy that lets his playets get this close without testing FA. Not sure I understood the rest of your wording though. At any rate, the Red Sox evidently set a pretty high price on him, hence why he wasn't dealt.

I was saying if we acquired him and held onto him through the whole year we could make the qualifying offer to get the supplemental. Barring locking him up,( boras has a great relationship with Theo) or trading him at the deadline due to being out of it. Basically acquiring him short term is a much better deal than bourn( and i like him). Im sure the price for Ells is steep, but if garza is healthy maybe it can happen considering they are both FA after 2013

[davell]

Garza for Ellsbury? It fits us, but personally, I'd rather add the prospects from a Garza trade and sign Bourn, while losing the 2nd rounder this year. It seems his market is rather soft and we may get good value there. Instead of paying more for Ellsbury and likely losing our 1st next year in the process. He's got more upside obviously, but I think Bourn is actually the safer of the two.

[gaughan333]

over/under ells at 5/100 (free agent market not extension)

[gaughan333]

Garza for Ellsbury? It fits us, but personally, I'd rather add the prospects from a Garza trade and sign Bourn, while losing the 2nd rounder this year. It seems his market is rather soft and we may get good value there. Instead of paying more for Ellsbury and likely losing our 1st next year in the process. He's got more upside obviously, but I think Bourn is actually the safer of the two.

I'd def wait on ellsbury until after this season. His injury concerns worry me, so I agree bourn is a safer acquisition. I'd want to make sure he was entirely healthy and produces before expending real resources on him.

[SenorGato]

over/under ells at 5/100 (free agent market not extension)

Over on both assuming a healthy 2013. I'd guess 6/120 maybe.

Bourn is the safer of the two, agreed there. I like Ellsbury's overall skillset better THO.

[CUBluejays]

Huff is singing a song that make my penis hard. Don't care if Ellsbury never puts up a 2011 again, I buy the gains he's made in his game and think he's a star level talent that will remain a star level talent.

I wonder what it would take to get him given his injury history and only one year of control...

I so much rather have Ellsbury than Bourn, he screams right guy, right time.

[davell]

I'm dreaming of a 2014 lineup of Bourn, Castro, Cano, Stanton, Rizzo, Olt, Castillo, and whatever in LF, with a rotation of Price, Shark, E-Jax, Vizcaino, and Villanueva, with Appel hitting town midseason.

[huff]

I so much rather have Ellsbury than Bourn, he screams right guy, right time.

I guess the question is would the return on trading Ells be as good as Garza's at the deadline?..Id rather just get Ells and lock him up...

[SenorGato]

I so much rather have Ellsbury than Bourn, he screams right guy, right time.

Same. Right age, broad skillset, high end tools including elite speed and strong defense, playoff and WS experience, individually accomplished...Not quite Carlos Beltran hitting FA at 26, but as close as you might get as far as tools and upside are concerned.

[gaughan333]

I'm dreaming of a 2014 lineup of Bourn, Castro, Cano, Stanton, Rizzo, Olt, Castillo, and whatever in LF, with a rotation of Price, Shark, E-Jax, Vizcaino, and Villanueva, with Appel hitting town midseason.

how are they getting stanton and price while still keeping someone like Appel?