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    Organizational Philosophy Discussion Thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by KyleJRM View Post
    $130-140 would have been sufficient. The $60 million was referring to what we had available going into the offseason, not in addition to last year's Opening Day payroll.
    Who would they have gotten from 130-140 that would have fixed this?
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    Put yourselves in the shoes of the Ricketts. Your team has just lost 91 games with a $134 MM payroll entering the season. Why the **** would you give your front office another $130-140 MM the next season? Why would any business owner do that?
    Last edited by terencem; 11-16-2012 at 10:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaughan333 View Post
    Who would they have gotten from 130-140 that would have fixed this?
    There are any number of combinations of players that were available last season.

    But keep in mind, that's also assuming we don't get 19 wins combined worth of negative variance and sub-replacement players. It involves a total effort top-to-bottom of the roster, not just throwing on some top-end players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terencem View Post
    Put yourselves in the shoes of the Ricketts. Your team has just lost 91 games with a $134 MM payroll entering the season. Why the **** would you give your front office another $130-140 MM the next season? Why would any business owner do that?
    Because this is a different front office than the one that lost 91 games (and don't forget that team had heavy SP injury problems).

    If you are scared to invest in trying to win, don't buy a big-market pro sports team.

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    Spending a crap load of money isn't the solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad IBCB View Post
    Spending a crap load of money isn't the solution.
    Nor is gutting the MLB roster and throwing seasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KyleJRM View Post
    There are any number of combinations of players that were available last season.

    But keep in mind, that's also assuming we don't get 19 wins combined worth of negative variance and sub-replacement players. It involves a total effort top-to-bottom of the roster, not just throwing on some top-end players.
    What players are doing this and what does fix mean?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KyleJRM View Post
    Nor is gutting the MLB roster and throwing seasons.
    While I see the point, how do you know until it's had more than 1 year?
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    Since that question is being posed to Kyle for about the 200th time I'll give it a shot:

    Pujols
    Darvish
    Beltran
    Ramirez
    Shoppach/Molina
    Maholm
    Jackson

    C: Soto/Real Backup
    1B: Pujols
    2B: Barney
    SS: Castro
    3B: Ramirez

    LF: Soriano
    CF: Byrd
    RF: Beltran

    Garza
    Darvish
    Jackson
    Maholm
    Shark

    Keep Marshall.

    Not my favorite, and I'm long over last offseason, so for 2013...

    Trade for Masterson and C. Perez (Jackson, Castillo, Dolis, Lake, Ha, and Maples)
    Greinke
    Upton
    R. Martin
    Liriano
    Uehara
    Howell
    Chavez/Polanco platoon

    C: Martin/Navarro
    1B: Rizzo
    2B: Barney
    SS: Castro
    3B: Chavez/Polanco

    LF: Soriano
    CF: Upton
    RF: Da Jesus

    Greinke
    Garza
    Samardzija
    Masterson
    Liriano

    Primary bullpen arms:

    Perez
    Marmol
    Uehara
    Russell
    Howell

    A nonsense answer for a question that invites it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaughan333 View Post
    What players are doing this and what does fix mean?
    As always, offseasons are too complicated to simply list players. Too many contingencies. If I sign a 1b early, that means I don't get Rizzo, but I can use Cashner for something else, maybe a trade. If I trade for Chase Headley, do I get to use his 7-win season or do I have to use his pre-season projections? If I keep Samardzija in the bullpen, do I take his fWAR or his bWAR out of the rotation and plug in a replacement?

    As far as "fix," I would say "has at least a 25% chance to make the playoffs going into the season."

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    Quote Originally Posted by KyleJRM View Post
    Nor is gutting the MLB roster and throwing seasons.
    spending 120+mill to be average is not smart.
    thats why last year after we got rid of all we could from the JH years, for what ever anyone wanted to give us, casue when ur giving up a zambrano ur only gonna get a volstad return...
    you play the kids, trade what little proven vets we had for young prospects. thats the way it works in baseball and the way it will continue to work.

    and that "strong" farm system you said we had when Theo came produced 101 losses... so theres that.

    when theo came, bottom to top, cubs had LOW TALENT levels. which is the base of ur arguement...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad IBCB View Post
    Spending a crap load of money isn't the solution.
    Seriously, neither is ignoring the crap out of the MLB roster until prospects. It's as horribly inefficient as buying a team through FA, which no one argues for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gaughan333 View Post
    While I see the point, how do you know until it's had more than 1 year?
    How do you know that these prospects won't bust more than stick? Same answer: We don't know, we simply assess and give our opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZamboniCub View Post
    spending 120+mill to be average is not smart.
    Agreed. If your front office can't do better than average with $120 million, fire them and hire a new one.

    thats why last year after we got rid of all we could from the JH years, for what ever anyone wanted to give us, casue when ur giving up a zambrano ur only gonna get a volstad return...
    We didn't get rid of all we could. There were a lot of Hendry legacies still on the roster last season. Most of our useful players, in fact.

    you play the kids, trade what little proven vets we had for young prospects. thats the way it works in baseball and the way it will continue to work.
    No, it isn't, and no it doesn't.

    and that "strong" farm system you said we had when Theo came produced 101 losses... so theres that.
    The farm system produced the losses? That's nonsensical.

    when theo came, bottom to top, cubs had LOW TALENT levels. which is the base of ur arguement...
    Disagree.

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