Stoudemire & Shumpert comeback

[knicks=love]

amar'e needs to come off the bench. accept the role and don't *****.

[Ill21]

amar'e needs to come off the bench. accept the role and don't *****.

Why not give him a chance to start and see how it works?

[knicks=love]

because this lineup is working right now. i'd love to role with a felton-kidd-shumpert-melo-chandler lineup when shump is back. amar'e and melo wasn't working before, and i don't think it'll work now. amar'e off the bench would just make us an even better team with more firepower.

[Da Knicks]

because this lineup is working right now. i'd love to role with a felton-kidd-shumpert-melo-chandler lineup when shump is back. amar'e and melo wasn't working before, and i don't think it'll work now. amar'e off the bench would just make us an even better team with more firepower.

No Amare will lead to Melo getting tired or hurt if he keeps on taking on these big pf's. We need Amare when we play the big teams, Zbo just killed it against us because he didnt have to waste his energy defending. Stat will beast when he returns and the knicks need him if they want any shot at a chip.

[Ill21]

because this lineup is working right now. i'd love to role with a felton-kidd-shumpert-melo-chandler lineup when shump is back. amar'e and melo wasn't working before, and i don't think it'll work now. amar'e off the bench would just make us an even better team with more firepower.

Melo is going to get torn apart at the 4 on the defensive end, as he is generally going to be undersized. I would much rather have Amare there and hope he has improved on the defensive end and plays some solid team D. It would be nice to have a 6'11 and 7 foot guy in the front court.

[D-Leethal]

ZBo is the exception in this league, not the rule. Good thing our chances of playing ZBo in the playoffs are less than 2%.

Who else is going to abuse Melo at the 4? Like 3 teams with big frontlines?

Hybrid 3's are playing the 4 all over this league, the days of bruising PF's are done. There is only one Memphis, only one Utah, only one Chicago. Nets don't scare me because any bruising they add with Humphries they lose at the 5 with Lopez.

On top of that, how many of those bruisers are even scoring threats besides the 3 I named above? Are we really worried about Melo getting beat up and worn down for guarding the guys below?

Melo is fine at the 4, and will be fine at the 4 all year long. Look at the guys he will be matched up in the Atlantic: Jeff Green, Thad Young, Humphries (bruiser but doesn't do much to scare me putting Melo on him), Bargnani.

Other teams in the East we might see in the playoffs or battle for playoff position: Josh Smith, Ilyasova, Battier, David West.

What are we worried about again? Zbo who we play one more time out of 70+ games?

[Ill21]

ZBo is the exception in this league, not the rule. Good thing our chances of playing ZBo in the playoffs are less than 2%.

Who else is going to abuse Melo at the 4? Like 3 teams with big frontlines?

Hybrid 3's are playing the 4 all over this league, the days of bruising PF's are done. There is only one Memphis, only one Utah, only one Chicago. Nets don't scare me because any bruising they add with Humphries they lose at the 5 with Lopez.

On top of that, how many of those bruisers are even scoring threats besides the 3 I named above? Are we really worried about Melo getting beat up and worn down for guarding the guys below?

Melo is fine at the 4, and will be fine at the 4 all year long. Look at the guys he will be matched up in the Atlantic: Jeff Green, Thad Young, Humphries (bruiser but doesn't do much to scare me putting Melo on him), Bargnani.

Other teams in the East we might see in the playoffs or battle for playoff position: Josh Smith, Ilyasova, Battier, David West.

What are we worried about again? Zbo who we play one more time out of 70+ games?

Ok i agree with that. But its not even fair to Amar'e to not give him a chance at starting this season. For all we know he will come in a flourish. Remember how excited we were to see STAT's post game and how he can work with 'Melo. All im saying is give him a chance

[knicks=love]

ZBo is the exception in this league, not the rule. Good thing our chances of playing ZBo in the playoffs are less than 2%.

Who else is going to abuse Melo at the 4? Like 3 teams with big frontlines?

Hybrid 3's are playing the 4 all over this league, the days of bruising PF's are done. There is only one Memphis, only one Utah, only one Chicago. Nets don't scare me because any bruising they add with Humphries they lose at the 5 with Lopez.

On top of that, how many of those bruisers are even scoring threats besides the 3 I named above? Are we really worried about Melo getting beat up and worn down for guarding the guys below?

Melo is fine at the 4, and will be fine at the 4 all year long. Look at the guys he will be matched up in the Atlantic: Jeff Green, Thad Young, Humphries (bruiser but doesn't do much to scare me putting Melo on him), Bargnani.

Other teams in the East we might see in the playoffs or battle for playoff position: Josh Smith, Ilyasova, Battier, David West.

What are we worried about again? Zbo who we play one more time out of 70+ games?

exactly

[rhymeratic]

If I were a betting man... I would think they would hold both of them out until a major break in schedule like the All-Star break and then re-incorporate them into the team. If I was in charge, that's what I would do.

[rhymeratic]

ZBo is the exception in this league, not the rule. Good thing our chances of playing ZBo in the playoffs are less than 2%.

Who else is going to abuse Melo at the 4? Like 3 teams with big frontlines?

Hybrid 3's are playing the 4 all over this league, the days of bruising PF's are done. There is only one Memphis, only one Utah, only one Chicago. Nets don't scare me because any bruising they add with Humphries they lose at the 5 with Lopez.

On top of that, how many of those bruisers are even scoring threats besides the 3 I named above? Are we really worried about Melo getting beat up and worn down for guarding the guys below?

Melo is fine at the 4, and will be fine at the 4 all year long. Look at the guys he will be matched up in the Atlantic: Jeff Green, Thad Young, Humphries (bruiser but doesn't do much to scare me putting Melo on him), Bargnani.

Other teams in the East we might see in the playoffs or battle for playoff position: Josh Smith, Ilyasova, Battier, David West.

What are we worried about again? Zbo who we play one more time out of 70+ games?

Keeping it 100%, you are absolutely right on this. The Knicks CAN survive and thrive with Melo at the 4 for MOST of the year. It only matters come NBA Finals if we make it there as these are the specific teams I would want a traditional lineup of Melo at 3 and Amare at 4:

1. Lakers
2. San Antonio
3. Clippers
4. Memphis
5. Utah
6. Dallas

All the other teams their PF's are irrelevant/they're not a problem for Melo to guard defensively.

Realistically Utah has NO shot at an NBA Finals. I feel like they're missing that dominant wing player to put them over the top. They need to flip Kanter and/or Favors into a STRONG SG like an OJ Mayo/James Harden type. I can't really think of anyone specific but MAYBE Tyreke Evans out in Sacramento... if only he could shoot. Monta Ellis...

[D-Leethal]

Keeping it 100%, you are absolutely right on this. The Knicks CAN survive and thrive with Melo at the 4 for MOST of the year. It only matters come NBA Finals if we make it there as these are the specific teams I would want a traditional lineup of Melo at 3 and Amare at 4:

1. Lakers
2. San Antonio
3. Clippers
4. Memphis
5. Utah
6. Dallas

All the other teams their PF's are irrelevant/they're not a problem for Melo to guard defensively.

Realistically Utah has NO shot at an NBA Finals. I feel like they're missing that dominant wing player to put them over the top. They need to flip Kanter and/or Favors into a STRONG SG like an OJ Mayo/James Harden type. I can't really think of anyone specific but MAYBE Tyreke Evans out in Sacramento... if only he could shoot. Monta Ellis...

Amare will have to become part of the rotation if we want to win a chip, we need to find a way to incorporate his talents into our system on both ends.

But that doesn't mean he has to start. If were getting bullied, put him in and ride it out.

But Melo at the 4, this team is blowing the doors off pretty much everyone. You don't switch that up in fear you might not match up. If you don't match up, than adjust, play STAT for 35 minutes to counter their bigs.

But you don't change up a VERY good thing prematurely because you might never find it again.

[bofakop]

ZBo is the exception in this league, not the rule. Good thing our chances of playing ZBo in the playoffs are less than 2%.

Who else is going to abuse Melo at the 4? Like 3 teams with big frontlines?

Hybrid 3's are playing the 4 all over this league, the days of bruising PF's are done. There is only one Memphis, only one Utah, only one Chicago. Nets don't scare me because any bruising they add with Humphries they lose at the 5 with Lopez.

On top of that, how many of those bruisers are even scoring threats besides the 3 I named above? Are we really worried about Melo getting beat up and worn down for guarding the guys below?

Melo is fine at the 4, and will be fine at the 4 all year long. Look at the guys he will be matched up in the Atlantic: Jeff Green, Thad Young, Humphries (bruiser but doesn't do much to scare me putting Melo on him), Bargnani.

Other teams in the East we might see in the playoffs or battle for playoff position: Josh Smith, Ilyasova, Battier, David West.

What are we worried about again? Zbo who we play one more time out of 70+ games?

I do like Melo at 4 , but there are some other teams that are big and our small unit might have problems...Clippers,Lakers, Portland with Aldridge on top of few you named.

I am not really worried about anyone too much ...as long as woodson is willing to adjust as game goes on(which I did not see in Memphis). We are so deep with the ability to play any type of lineup when we are healthy

[D-Leethal]

I do like Melo at 4 , but there are some other teams that are big and our small unit might have problems...Clippers,Lakers, Portland with Aldridge on top of few you named.

I am not really worried about anyone too much ...as long as woodson is willing to adjust as game goes on(which I did not see in Memphis). We are so deep with the ability to play any type of lineup when we are healthy

I am not worried about Pau playing too big for Melo in Mike D ball. Also not too worried about Aldridge. He doesn't play big and isn't a good rebounder. Blake is a face up/pick and roll forward, he won't bully Melo in the post.

I will agree, that if our small ball is getting exploited, Woody needs to switch it up during the course of the game and counter with our bigs. But I am still going into each and every game using the Melo-Mismatch at the 4 until it stops working to near perfection. It was odd to say the least that he allowed Melo to try to battle Marc Gasol when it clearly wasn't working to our advantage.

[bofakop]

I am not worried about Pau playing too big for Melo in Mike D ball. Also not too worried about Aldridge. He doesn't play big and isn't a good rebounder. Blake is a face up/pick and roll forward, he won't bully Melo in the post.

I will agree, that if our small ball is getting exploited, Woody needs to switch it up during the course of the game and counter with our bigs. But I am still going into each and every game using the Melo-Mismatch at the 4 until it stops working to near perfection. It was odd to say the least that he allowed Melo to try to battle Marc Gasol when it clearly wasn't working to our advantage.

Yeah I agree... he does creat more of a mismatch for others ... and i weould not change either unless things change with our success... but Woody does need to adjust a little quicker than he did(never) in Memphis

[Missing56&33]

No need to rush either guy back. We rushed Shump back when he first sprained his MCL on Christmas day and we rushed Amar'e back going 7 months with no basketball activity right into a short lockout season.

Lets not make the same mistake twice by rushing them back now.