no more turner at the 3

[BChydro86]

Its not a coincidence that we lost 2 in a row with the jrich turner wings, after turner had a few good games at the 2 with jrich out.... games which we won! Turner is better at the 2. Our best lineup is jrue turner wright thad hawes (maybe insert lavoy in there for thad or hawes) right now, and i never see it out there for long enough stretches.

Im not defending turner, not making excuses for his pedestrian play. Im not a huge fan of his anymore...

BUT..... Hes clearly better at the 2.... He played better there than he has at the 3.

I dont need to see so much jrich or nick young anymore.... Theyre bench wings... Id rather see these sixers go big than with these stupid pseudo lineups with wright and thad as the 4 and 5.

That is all.

[2-ONE-5]

agreed. i thought form day 1 it sohuld be Jrue, Et, Wright, Thad, Hawes/Lavoy

[Answerback03]

With the roster we have we should be starting : jrue, Evan, Wright, Thad, brown.

First sub is j rich for turner,

Then swags turner lavoy and hawes come in for jrue wright Thad brown

Let turner run point with second group. Screw ivey hes a spots minutes back up. U gotta start brown with Thad Bc its become evident we getting bullied on the glass and hawes and Allen not getting it done next to Thad

Which leads me to my next point. Yes turner is shooting the ball bad but dough NEEDS to keep him in the game to clean the boards. We r getting killed on the boards.. also doug is handling turner horrible. His game is all abt confidence. When hes playing free and with confidence hes very good player but doug playing him in 4 minute intervals is killing him. No rythem

Last point. Go get kmart. Hes waiting to get signed. Hes a great pick and roll defender. Plays with an edge. Very vocal. Always been a quarterback for teams defenses. He just makes too much sense, so I'm sure we won't.

Ok rant ended

[BChydro86]

Start brown? I cant even think of a reason to play him more than 8mpg

[BChydro86]

If toughness is ur issue with thad and hawes id play lavoy and hawes.... Not brown

Lavoys rotations are weak, but he shpuld progress with some tutelage, and hawes rotates pretty good (even tho i think hes excited about his new athletic build and wants to play interior D more..... Not necessarily a bad thing)

[YouAreSoWrong]

I dont post here often...although I'm a huge fan, watch every game, etc. I saw this post and had to give my....

SIXERS RANT.

I've been on Evan Turner's bandwagon since day 1, but apparently Collins hasn't.

Breakdown of the Last 2 games:
**Two losses to the Bucks and Pistons
**Turner played 25 and 23 minutes in those games (at SF, jason richardson back from injury)
**Evan had 8 points, 4 boards, 5 assists (solid stats for the minutes) vs Bucks, 3 points, 3 rebonds, 2 assists vs Pistons

Breakdown of 3 games before those 2:
**3 wins vs Raptors, Celtics, Hornets
**Turner played 37, 41, 36 minutes in those games (at SG, jason richardson hurt)
**Evan averaged 15.67 PPG, 10.3 RPG, 3.66 APG with his best game against the Celtics (for those who say big woop u beat raptors and hornets) when he had the most minutes- 25 points, 11 rebounds, 4 assists, and 2/2 behind the arc.
**HE AVERAGED SOLID DOUBLE DOUBLE in these 3

Plain and simple. We added guys like Wright, Young, and J Rich to stretch the court and compliment our interior offense (sucks Bynum is hurt) and to give a good wing to Turner (who isnt reliable from 3).

I love Doug as a coach but wake the hell up.

We drafted the guy number 2 overall and it's time we let the kid just do his thing. Playing him in 4 minute intervals as mentioned ^ where he's playing off the ball a lot (much better with the ball in his hands or closer to it by playing SG) and can't get a rhythm isn't gonna help us.

Not to mention. HE IS OUR LEADING REBOUNDER
If you want to call him a small forward, hes 7th in the NBA in rebounds amongst them.
If you want to call him a shooting guard, where he should be playing, and has been for his best games- HE IS #1 in rebounds per game.

KEY STATS from Bucks and Pistons Losses:
Outrebounded by 17 vs. Bucks
Outrebounded by 19 vs Pistons

As a team that until potentially 2013, doesn't have what was meant to be our big man who cleaned up the boards, go to guy, etc...we need to make adjustments.

WE LOST TO THE PISTONS BY NEARLY 20 LAST NIGHT! ON OUR COURT!
They were 0-8 before that game......their worst start in franchise history.

For nothing else, even if you dont believe in the guy as an overall player...the rebound stats should be screaming at you to keep him in the game for healthy minutes.

This guy has the potential of being our top scorer and top rebounder (before Bynum comes back) from SG and with good minutes. That's pretty awesome.

Give the kid a friggin chance Doug.

Jrue/Evan/Wright as our 1-2-3

Rant over.

[RickyPrior]

I got all excited when I read the first three words of this thread title.

But I can't say I feel strongly about Turner at the 2 or 3. Doesn't matter much to me. He's going to defend the same guy no matter what position he's playing and he'll crash the boards all the same.

So far he's been wildly mediocre...so who gives a ****.

Know what I mean?

But, sure, if playing him at the two means we get Wright at the three...why not.

OR we could go with Wright and JRich and stick Turner back on the bench. All three of them sucked last night...so pick your poison.

[YouAreSoWrong]

read my post ricky...i couldnt disagree with u more.

[Answerback03]

If toughness is ur issue with thad and hawes id play lavoy and hawes.... Not brown

Lavoys rotations are weak, but he shpuld progress with some tutelage, and hawes rotates pretty good (even tho i think hes excited about his new athletic build and wants to play interior D more..... Not necessarily a bad thing)

yes toughness is my issue. we got outrebounded by 36 in the past two games. thats unacceptable. brown is our most physical player so u need to stick him next to thad who seems to be inevitably starting. look at the knicks game, got out to an early lead bc we were physical with brown in the game.

secondly, turner needs more minutes simply bc of his rebounding

if the current roster cant get it done go get a varejo, evans, blair who are gonna play with energy and passion and hit the boards.

lastly,, youaresowrong...... absolutely great post.

[RickyPrior]

read my post ricky...i couldnt disagree with u more.

I'll try.

It just looks so......long.

[RickyPrior]

I'll try.

It just looks so......long.

Read it. And of course disagree.

Watch the kid. He does nothing BUT rebound. And last night he hurt the team...so he sat.

I can't even tell you how naive I find the whole "unleash evan" nonsense. I suspect these sentiments are expressed generally by 'younger' members here.

But if you suck, you're going to sit. Doug has done this with everyone from Thad to Hawes to Meeks to Jrue.

This year Evan is third on the team in minutes. Evan has played FOUR THOUSAND minutes while in the NBA. He's played in one hundred seventy (170) ****ing basketball games. Already FAR more than he played in college (101).

Give it a rest. Half the time that head-case just doesn't DO anything. Other times he's more active, and plays. But he's no more special than anyone else on the team. He gets the minutes he deserves.



Trade the Bust.


Say it with me.

[wannabGM]

Doug is bad with lineups. He's much worse in crunch time. Odd how some coaches are so good at certain things, and so stubborn to a fault about others. I echo the sentiment behind what the starting lineup should be (sans Kwame....he just sucks on both ends of the floor). But that is only 1/3 of the equation. The other 1/3 is getting ET more intelligently involved in the half court offense from the outset of the game. The other 1/3 is having an ounce of common sense about which lineup to use with < 8 minutes in the game, along with which plays to run.

Collins is going to frustrate. It was obvious since pre-season that JRich/NYoung were both going to have too big of a role, and ET was going to be told to do nothing but rebound, shoot 2 point jumpers, and occasionally try to run an offense he obviously cannot. And it was obvious since pre-season that we were essentially spotting the opposition points with the JRich/ET combo on the wing to start the game.

Terrible. Scoring 1st quarter points is about the easiest thing in the world to do with half an ounce of common sense. Willie Green used to score in the 1st quarter, for crying out loud. We don't need JRich in the starting lineup for him offense, and playing 30+ minutes/night. That formula = losses. And Kwame should not play at all most games, let alone start.

None of this should be a surprise to anyone who has watched Collins coach this team the past two years.

[Mandrew]

I got all excited when I read the first three words of this thread title.

But I can't say I feel strongly about Turner at the 2 or 3. Doesn't matter much to me. He's going to defend the same guy no matter what position he's playing and he'll crash the boards all the same.

So far he's been wildly mediocre...so who gives a ****.

Know what I mean?

But, sure, if playing him at the two means we get Wright at the three...why not.

OR we could go with Wright and JRich and stick Turner back on the bench. All three of them sucked last night...so pick your poison.

Two days ago I said I wanted Turner at SG and Wright at SF and you responded, "Why in the world would you WANT that?!"

[Answerback03]

Read it. And of course disagree.

Watch the kid. He does nothing BUT rebound. And last night he hurt the team...so he sat.

I can't even tell you how naive I find the whole "unleash evan" nonsense. I suspect these sentiments are expressed generally by 'younger' members here.

But if you suck, you're going to sit. Doug has done this with everyone from Thad to Hawes to Meeks to Jrue.

This year Evan is third on the team in minutes. Evan has played FOUR THOUSAND minutes while in the NBA. He's played in one hundred seventy (170) ****ing basketball games. Already FAR more than he played in college (101).

Give it a rest. Half the time that head-case just doesn't DO anything. Other times he's more active, and plays. But he's no more special than anyone else on the team. He gets the minutes he deserves.



Trade the Bust.


Say it with me.

He does nothing but rebound? okay for argument sake... lets say i agree with u..

is that not enough reason to play the kid consistant minutes at least till bynum is back?

Do u watch the games? did u see us get outrebounded by 17 against the bucks? did you see us get outrebounded by 19 against the pistons.

I repeat if you cant rebound the ball you cant push the ball and get easy opportunities.

until bynum gets back we are not gonna score in the half court. its a team full of spot up shooters outside of holiday, who were designed to play off of bynum. these guys just cant make the defense rotate bc most of them are simply one dimensional offensively.

[YouAreSoWrong]

Read it. And of course disagree.

Watch the kid. He does nothing BUT rebound. And last night he hurt the team...so he sat.

I can't even tell you how naive I find the whole "unleash evan" nonsense. I suspect these sentiments are expressed generally by 'younger' members here.

But if you suck, you're going to sit. Doug has done this with everyone from Thad to Hawes to Meeks to Jrue.

This year Evan is third on the team in minutes. Evan has played FOUR THOUSAND minutes while in the NBA. He's played in one hundred seventy (170) ****ing basketball games. Already FAR more than he played in college (101).

Give it a rest. Half the time that head-case just doesn't DO anything. Other times he's more active, and plays. But he's no more special than anyone else on the team. He gets the minutes he deserves.



Trade the Bust.


Say it with me.

Although I'm not a regular...and I dont follow every post on here...I have a great gut feeling you probably get abused for comments like these with how many times u have posted.

Anything BUT rebound...1st its naive and dumb as hell for you to think that rebounding isn't a VERY important part of the game saying only like that. Even if that was his only talent, it still should get you on the court when, oh yeah...you lead the team in rebounds and youre a friggin guard which is ABSURDLY DYNAMIC. 1st amongst guards in the nba in rebounds uhhh thank you.

To state thats all he does- also naive and dumb as hell.
3 games I mentioned with minutes this year- 15+ points, 10+ rebounds, and 3-4 Assists. Youre right though....he can only rebound. He's arguably our best wing defender as well.

To think that he gets the minutes he deserves, also naive and dumb as hell.
You don't know basketball if you cant understand the concept of rhythm and consistency. Playing 4 minutes off and on and getting less than half a game on the court isnt getting proper minutes for your top rebounder, or 3rd best scorer currently (due to minutes).

Give Evan Turner- Jrue Holiday minutes at the 2....and play Wright at the 3...and I promise we dont lose the game by nearly 20 and get outrebounded by the same amount.

Learn basketball, moron.

Say it with me.