Last edited by amos1er; 11-15-2012 at 07:30 AM.
ESPN said that Kobe is the 25th best player in the NBA.
ESPN said that the Lakers would be the 12th seed.
The GM survey for the first time listed Kobe as the second best shooting guard in the NBA.
Time to prove the haters wrong once again!!!
A fine choice but his 67 season is widely seen as his greatest individually. If you think Im only saying that because of his championship then you would be ignoring the best combination of usage/efficiency of his career when you consider the results of that output led to one of the best offenses of all time (statistically). If not that year then consider the 64 season, he played alot better in the post season and his advanced metrics were better across the board.1. Wilt Chamberlain 61/62
Overrated, statistically David Robinson has had superior seasons but hes not even on this list. Still since you list him, the correct decision is 63-64. 31-11-10 on superior efficiency than the season you listed. To further enhance the decision he did this on the only 55 win team he would ever lead in his prime(winning MVP in the process).2. Oscar Robertson 61/62
Im sensing a trend, it seems you feel players have their best seasons while in their youth. When they have the legs to rack up rebounds and play alot of MPG, sometimes on middling teams thus enhancing their responsibility. But Magic is so clearly better in 87. MVP, Finals MVP, and he posted the best advanced metrics of his career for a championship team. As an individual thats hard to top, I would imagine theres no better feeling than winning while at the top of your game, something Jerry West wishes he knew of.3. Magic Johnson: 81/82
Its hard to go wrong with any MJ season but Ima have to disagree here. First some context, MJ was gunning for triple doubles this year. Collins put him at the point to end the season and he would check with scorekeepers to make sure they had his assists. Not that there is necessarily anything wrong with being stat conscious, I know Bird was as well, Im just saying there should be a clear difference between the mentality of a Pre-Phil MJ. And when you combine that killer mentality with superior production + a title, I dont see how you can go against 1991. Greatest PER/WS for both Regular Season and Playoffs of his career while winning his first chip.4. Jordan: 88/89
Ima go with 77, he wasn't posting the same regular season stats he did in his youth, nor was he on route to winning a title but he was so clearly improved as a go-to player. He wasn't as reliant on his PG's, he wasn't quite as scrawny so he could fight for position better on both ends, also the reason for the decline in his statistical superiority over his league was partly due to the league getting extremely deep with the ABA merger.5. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 70/71
All that aside, this year marks KAJ greatest Playoff production level. Career highs all across the board, he and Bill Walton had an epic duel. He was a championship caliber player without a cast to prove it, as if winning a title your 2nd year wouldn't be proof enough. Cant argue against your pick tho, plenty of people would agree. He was just more reliant on the skyhook than I would like from what Ive seen/read.
Its in the right range, I just dont know what makes any Stockton year stick out more than the other. Knowing how amazingly consistent he was year to year I would think playoff production+success would be a determining factor but you chose the year he gets knocked out in R1?6. John Stockton 89/90
Why not go with 88? He had that great 7 round series vs LA, destroying the Magic and the Lakers.
Cant complain, arguably his greatest regular season and he (And the rest of Bostons starters) pulled a heavy load just to make the Finals. His play suffered as a result tho. I have trouble assessing Bird's career, Ive just never been overly impressed by any of his runs. If I had to choose it would be the year before this one.7. Larry Bird 86/87
Hard to pin down the peak season from a guy who made his presence felt defensively. That seems to be a choice as good as any, but Im going to ignore individual stats on this one because I find the differences to be minute when discussing his prime years but mostly because I think hes a player whos defensive peak is more relevant. I believe his defensive prime to have come around the season you mentioned up to 1966. Narrowing down his peak, I would guess 1964 simply because it was "easily" his best defensive team according to Russell and the numbers back him. His offense was meek but the Celtics as a team dominated the 2 best runner ups in the league on the strength of their defense. Wilt and that years MVP (Oscar Robertson) really struggled vs Boston.8. Bill Russell 61/62
9. Moses Malone: 82/83
Easy call tho the year prior to that was no slouch.
Agreed, Rodman would go on to post higher rebounding rates but he was very selfish in getting them sometimes. This year might not be much different but he wasnt quite yet a diva so his defense was still dominant.10. Dennis Roman 91/92
Last edited by Chronz; 11-15-2012 at 07:31 AM.
I don't feel so bad for leaving Pippen and Grant Hill of the list, but they both had great seasons, Pippen in 93/94 and 94/95 (the latter of which he was leading his team in scoring, assists, rebounds, steals and blocks before Jordan came back) and Hill in 96/97 when he lead his team in points, rebounds assists and steals.
And you are right, I do tend to go with players in their younger years. Usually they put up better numbers because they are usually drafted by $#!T teams who require more of them so they are in turn expected to do more and later in their careers, when they get traded to a winner, or their team gets some pieces, they can focus on what they do best. I guess I'm a bit of a stat whore though. But that is why I left it open, because I realize some people would put more value on accomplistments (like Jordan in 92 and LBJ in 2012 where both won regular season MVPs, finals MVPs, a ring and a gold medal... those are amazing years, even if they aren't your best statistically).
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A lot of people are going to rip me for this but I think that all these ridiculous numbers that the likes of Russell and Wilt put up in the sixties are way out of proportion. Bball was young as a professional sport at that time in the US and these players as talented as they might have been would have never been able to put up the same numbers if they played along side today's athletes.
idk whether to include team accomplishments like NBA championship/Gold medal or should i use that as a tie breaker?
Tim Duncan, Jordan, Bron, Shaq, Big O, Wilt, Kareem, Hakeem, Magic
all come to mind.
i would have to re-check their career stats and season stats to be specific.. I expect Jordan to have more than one season on the top 10..