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    http://www.cracked.com/article_15740...nside-job.html

    i know its cracked but they break it down really well

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    Quote Originally Posted by xnick5757 View Post
    http://www.cracked.com/article_15740...nside-job.html

    i know its cracked but they break it down really well
    Thank you. Brilliant article. Wong is a genius.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angry Norwegian View Post
    Seriously?

    Cool it with the "look at the knowledge that I possess, I'll dumb it down for you guys but it's just that I have this wealth of experience and knowledge that no one else has. Look at me!"

    **** that. **** your holier than thou attempts at some kind of higher knowledge. You said something totally insane in the other thread, something about how no one else has thought the way you do, and how you have this knowledge and experience that not a lot of people do.

    Really ****ing unbelievable. Your ego couldn't possibly get any bigger-- if we pumped any more hot air into you you'd explode. Get over yourself, and if you really do have this amazing knowledge that the rest of us should be in awe of, keep it to your ****ing self. Even if I agreed with your "knowledge" I would be embarassed to have someone brashly shove it in the face of anyone who would listen, saying "LOOK HOW SMART AND CRITICALLY THINKING I AM".
    HAHA, c'mon guy. I'm just aware of certain things that some people aren't. That's it. Its not cuz I'm holier than thou, its just because I have seen this thing and spent time to research this thing from many angles, and I have come across a lot of good sources and ideas. It doesn't make me smarter than anyone, it just means I'm aware of particular ideas and events that some other people aren't.

    When I say I dumbed it down, I mean that it is just very surface level the things I said, and there is much more detail. I did a real quick, real surface level breakdown of certain ideas and certain events.

    Honestly, I really just wrote this to break a couple things down. I'm not trying to win an argument, it makes no difference. If it came off as me trying to act like I'm better than anyone, then I believe the wrong tone came off. Not sure if its my mistake or your mistake, either way, trust me when I say that is not the type of attitude I was writing this with.

    **oh, and as far as what I said in my other thread, that was directed at nate. The guy has many strengths, but all I'm saying is his weakness is the ability to add things together, his weakness is the ability to connect the dots. Instead of taking it as a criticism and wondering to himself if this is something he can improve, I'm sure he'll take it as an insult and defend himself. It is what it is, I can't control what his reaction is to what I say, or how he's gonna take it. But, on the real, read his response to my original post, and it is clear as day what I was saying. The guy illustrated it picture perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    HAHA, c'mon guy. I'm just aware of certain things that some people aren't. That's it. Its not cuz I'm holier than thou, its just because I have seen this thing and spent time to research this thing from many angles, and I have come across a lot of good sources and ideas. It doesn't make me smarter than anyone, it just means I'm aware of particular ideas and events that some other people aren't.

    When I say I dumbed it down, I mean that it is just very surface level the things I said, and there is much more detail. I did a real quick, real surface level breakdown of certain ideas and certain events.

    Honestly, I really just wrote this to break a couple things down. I'm not trying to win an argument, it makes no difference. If it came off as me trying to act like I'm better than anyone, then I believe the wrong tone came off. Not sure if its my mistake or your mistake, either way, trust me when I say that is not the type of attitude I was writing this with.

    **oh, and as far as what I said in my other thread, that was directed at nate. The guy has many strengths, but all I'm saying is his weakness is the ability to add things together, his weakness is the ability to connect the dots. Instead of taking it as a criticism and wondering to himself if this is something he can improve, I'm sure he'll take it as an insult and defend himself. It is what it is, I can't control what his reaction is to what I say, or how he's gonna take it. But, on the real, read his response to my original post, and it is clear as day what I was saying. The guy illustrated it picture perfect.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    Kinda an offshoot from another thread, but that focuses on very different aspects of 9/11 than this, so I figured I start a new thread for it.

    Couple things about 9/11 to think about, understand its meaning its objective within the context of american history and imperialism. Not a prove this or prove that thread, because folks that have come to their conclusions have come to their conclusions. I'm just trying to bring a couple of things to light to hopefully help spread a better understanding of the situation. I want to encourage people to not rely on someone else to paint the picture and fill in whatever pretty bright colors they want, but rather see the dots and connect it on your own. I am going to backtrack a little bit because it is imperative to understand the history behind this, and how things have historically operated.

    First, I want to break down the power structure in this country and show who the major players are and how they control this phantom gov't. You have corporation, law enforcement/court system, military, and bankers. The corporations use their assets to support lobbyists to push their agenda through government. So this is what our laws are set by, these are the ones who decide what is lawful and unlawful, this is the reason I say we have a phantom gov't, as you can see it is but another head of corporate dragon. This corporate dragon is also the owner of media, as about 99% of media in america is controlled by 6 corporations. Now, weapons building is just another business, but the military structure is more than just that, as they have the power to oppress and rule lands holding resources used by businesses. I cannot speak with 100% confidence about the banks, as there are some things which are still unclear to me, but I believe at the top of all this is the banking system. They are the printers of money. They are controllers of the economy. They are the top of the pyramid. They hold not only individuals in our own country, but entire foreign countries, in a state of economic oppression.

    These four facets which I have mentioned work hand in hand with one another. If the banking system sees a land which is not under their control, or if a corporation sees a land which is not under their control, they use the media in order to sell war to people, and then use the military to carry out that war.

    I want to point out that the government actually hired a marketing genius, a man (Edward Bernaisse) coveted by all corporations in order to help them market, in order to sell the war against honduras when united fruit company's (a corporation) banana supply was threatened by social revolution. He came up with the tactic of equating Honduras nationalizing to Russia spreading communism. This is where the idea of the "invisible enemy" is introduced. The label "communism" was applied to many countries, regardless of wether or not they were actually communist. So now, any country that does not do what we (our corporate controlled gov't) say, we use our media machine to sell them to the population as communists (when communism and ties to russia were not even present), in order to get support for military action. It is very important to understand this pattern. This same blueprint was used in panama, honduras, nicaragua, el salvador, chile, argentina, and probably more. This very similar to the blueprint used in qatar, saudi, kuwait, afghanistan, oman, iraq, iran, and probably more.

    Now its important to understand who these players are above our gov't, these controllers of our gov't. In these circles, you will see an abnormally high jewish presence, which in of itself is no problem and means nothing. However, there is strong connections and loyalty with these people to the apartheid state of israel. Outside of ruport murdoch owned media, all other american media is controlled by people loyal to israel. I'm not talking about the anchor man, I'm talking about the boss's boss. I also want to point out that it is an Israeli company who controls the entire communications system of our military. Also, a u.s. soldiers is legally allowed to join the Israeli army, serve for them, and then return back to the u.s. without facing any type of penalty. This is the exact definition of treason. I just want to point these things out to help people get a sense of what a true hold on this country they have.

    Now let's get to some particular events on and after 9/11. When the towers were hit, 5 people were seen filming and cheering. Due to its bizarre nature, authorities were contacted. These men, who worked for a moving company, were held for 3 months, during which time it was revealed they are moussad agents (Israeli CIA), and during after which they were simply released to Israel. Regardless of innocence or guilt, surely this is a huge story one would expect to see repetitively through the media. But instead it vanished, outta sight outta mind. And another incident occured on 9/11, same type of white van from the "moving company" I previously mentioned was stopped on the GWB, and people were arrested. It was at one time said the vans were full of explosives, but those statements were later retracted. Again, these stories just did not get media play. I also remember at a certain point in time it was said that white vans full of information leading us to the hijackers were found in a parking garage. These white vans sure seem to pop up a lot.

    I also want to mention that the taliban were willing to hand over bin laden to a third party for trial. They requested evidence of 9/11 bin laden connection, yet the u.s. decided they would rather go to war than show evidence connecting him to the attacks. After the u.s. started bombing afghanistan, the taliban got so desperate that they then agreed to give him directly to the u.s. if shown evidence. Still, no go. If there is indeed evidence that connects this man to 9/11, do you not think the logical solution would be to show it to the taliban and avoid these wars?

    The bin laden videos have some inconsistencies. First bin laden denies the attacks. Then comes a video of someone taping him having a conversation with some other sheikh in which he admits the attacks. Does it make any sense for a man to deny the attacks, then allow himself to be taped admitting the attacks immediately afterward, and then leave that tape in a random house in jalalabad? Also, the man on the tape looked like someone else, and had much different mannerisms than bin laden. Then comes a tape a few years later, of someone who does indeed look like bin laden. imo it looks to be computer graphics, the movements are just very unnatural looking. In this tape, he is in a much different setting, a setting in which his particular mannerisms cannot be observed. His style of speaking is just nothing like what we have seen in the past. This is another huge red flag, as anyone here would be very suspiscious if they saw a speech of obama in which he was speaking with the same reading level as george w bush. The tape after this, is in the same exact setting, but this time his language/speech is how we have seen in the past. So every time a tape comes out, the red flags that people point out are immediately fixed up for the next one.

    So now that 9/11 has happened, you can see who the new invisible enemy is now. It went from communism to terrorism. Terrorism is just such a loose word that it can be applied to anyone the gov't chooses. All they have to do is say they support terrorists, and they get their green light. If people will think back, right before entering iraq, a good chunk of this country supported it. There were demonstrations against, but compared to now, many more people were on board with this war. This is the exact use of the invisible enemy I am speaking of. Of course the economic situation in this country started catching up to people, and the gov't lies were becoming just too obvious....so enter puppet obama. One of us. But we'll leave that alone, that's a whole nother subject.

    If you understand the major players on top, and you understand how they interact with one another, certain things become very clear. Moussad agents knew about 9/11, and there is no doubt in my mind that if they knew, then particular people in this country with a lot of power also knew.

    **I want to point out this new method of catching and charging terrorists. Law enforcement poses as terrorists, and supply people with the proper training and proper (fake) weaponry. I can't say with 100% certainty, but my personal suspiscion is that something along these lines may have taken place on 9/11. Particular people may indeed have felt they were carrying out orders from bin laden, when in reality it may well have been someone else. This type of infiltration of networks is nothing new to our cia. This is just my personal opinion, I'm not claiming it to be fact.**

    What I wrote is EXTREMELY EXTREMELY condensed and dumbed down. Saying its the tip of the iceberg would be an overstatement. People who have already been introduced to such ideas probably know what I mean. I don't really have the time to break it down even deeper than so, but I hope I open a few peoples eyes to some new ideas, some new understanding of how this system operates. This thread is not meant to sway anyone to one side or the other, it is just to point certain things out that some people may have overlooked. When you understand history and historically what our tactics have been, certain things become very clear, certain things become very obvious. You will notice that things that people shrug off as one time incidents are in fact not only the norm, but standard operating procedure.

    **I'm also gonna throw out this website, freedocumentaries.org, very informative, very useful
    The 5 "dancing Israelis" thing is ********.
    http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Dancing_Israelis

    The "fake Osama" video conspiracy . . . also ********.
    http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Confession_video


    The 9-11 conspiracy theories have been debunked for years. There have been no new claims for years. They just keep repeating the same old ****.

    If you have "become aware" of things other people are not aware of.....why do you just repeat the same **** every other conspiracy theorist repeats?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    I have seen this thing and spent time to research this thing from many angles, and I have come across a lot of good sources and ideas.
    The thing I always love about claims like this is how they make the simplest mistakes in their crazy claims, things that you would easily know about if you'd done any real or honest research into the subject. It happens every time.

    **oh, and as far as what I said in my other thread, that was directed at nate. The guy has many strengths, but all I'm saying is his weakness is the ability to add things together, his weakness is the ability to connect the dots. Instead of taking it as a criticism and wondering to himself if this is something he can improve, I'm sure he'll take it as an insult and defend himself. It is what it is, I can't control what his reaction is to what I say, or how he's gonna take it. But, on the real, read his response to my original post, and it is clear as day what I was saying. The guy illustrated it picture perfect.
    Just because I don't take disparate pieces of information and try to string them together into some crazy grand theory that can't even stand up under it's own weight doesn't mean I can't "connect the dots." It just means I don't open up a Connect the Dots book and connect a dot on page one to another on page twelve in order to create the shape I want to make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluefire7002 View Post
    I have questions too in that thread that weren't replied, you dont hear me *****ing about it....

    Why did The 9/11 Commission omit Norman Mineta's testimony? seems like something that should have been looked into...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y

    "During the time that the airplane was coming in to the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President, "The plane is 50 miles out." "The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to "the plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the Vice President, "Do the orders still stand?" And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?"
    Just from what you've quoted, is it possible that the VP was saying the previous orders stood because he was in direct communication with GW and thus would've heard instantly of any changed orders since only the President or Sec Def could've issued the orders?

    Just by the wording, he never actually issues any orders, he merely asks the person to confirm that whatever previous orders that were issued, by whoever they were issued by, were still in effect.

    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    HAHA, c'mon guy. I'm just aware of certain things that some people aren't. That's it. Its not cuz I'm holier than thou, its just because I have seen this thing and spent time to research this thing from many angles, and I have come across a lot of good sources and ideas. It doesn't make me smarter than anyone, it just means I'm aware of particular ideas and events that some other people aren't.

    When I say I dumbed it down, I mean that it is just very surface level the things I said, and there is much more detail. I did a real quick, real surface level breakdown of certain ideas and certain events.

    Honestly, I really just wrote this to break a couple things down. I'm not trying to win an argument, it makes no difference. If it came off as me trying to act like I'm better than anyone, then I believe the wrong tone came off. Not sure if its my mistake or your mistake, either way, trust me when I say that is not the type of attitude I was writing this with.

    **oh, and as far as what I said in my other thread, that was directed at nate. The guy has many strengths, but all I'm saying is his weakness is the ability to add things together, his weakness is the ability to connect the dots. Instead of taking it as a criticism and wondering to himself if this is something he can improve, I'm sure he'll take it as an insult and defend himself. It is what it is, I can't control what his reaction is to what I say, or how he's gonna take it. But, on the real, read his response to my original post, and it is clear as day what I was saying. The guy illustrated it picture perfect.
    What makes you so certain the dots must be connected? In order for them to be connected you'd need proof wouldn't you?
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    How unsurprising. Dude, give up trying to argue with valade. He cut you into little pieces, had you for breakfast, and shat you out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcoll View Post
    The 5 "dancing Israelis" thing is ********.
    http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Dancing_Israelis

    The "fake Osama" video conspiracy . . . also ********.
    http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Confession_video


    The 9-11 conspiracy theories have been debunked for years. There have been no new claims for years. They just keep repeating the same old ****.

    If you have "become aware" of things other people are not aware of.....why do you just repeat the same **** every other conspiracy theorist repeats?
    I think the OP said it best.. there are bits here and there that really were never answered/ debunked... connect the dots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gcoll View Post
    The 5 "dancing Israelis" thing is ********.
    http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Dancing_Israelis

    The "fake Osama" video conspiracy . . . also ********.
    http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Confession_video


    The 9-11 conspiracy theories have been debunked for years. There have been no new claims for years. They just keep repeating the same old ****.

    If you have "become aware" of things other people are not aware of.....why do you just repeat the same **** every other conspiracy theorist repeats?
    I am very familiar with both links you posted, and I still stand by what I said. If you read through those very links you will see nothing is debunked, just a maybe this is possible or maybe that is possible was given.

    I have spent some time on 911myths.com

    One thing I will admit is about the 2001 video, the other people with bin laden, that's a pretty good point. Doesn't change the fact that the man touted as osama is physically very different, facial structure wise and weight wise, and also very different mannerisms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    What makes you so certain the dots must be connected? In order for them to be connected you'd need proof wouldn't you?
    Fair.

    What my basic aim is to show you what the pattern is. If you understand our history, and how we have operated in the past, it makes it very clear what is going on. You can identify the major players, you can see how decisions are truly made. When you see how these relationships form and their interactions with one another, you can then start seeing certain things about 9/11 which don't particularly add up, and in fact you can see how they are connected with top level people in this country (be it business, be it gov't, whatever).

    I will repeat again, I do not have proof to sway anyone this way or that way. I just want to bring to light particular ideas and particular historical events, which when analyzed, you can see the striking resemblance to how we are operating present day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    One thing I will admit is about the 2001 video, the other people with bin laden, that's a pretty good point. Doesn't change the fact that the man touted as osama is physically very different, facial structure wise and weight wise, and also very different mannerisms.
    What a ****ing joke.

    Quote Originally Posted by natepro View Post
    And no mention of his video with two of the hijackers? Come on future serial killer David whatever Idon'tcareenoughtoremember, you can do better than that!
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    This is just going completely above your head, apparently.
    Now it's a "pretty good point." Before, you'd barely acknowledge them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    Fair.

    What my basic aim is to show you what the pattern is. If you understand our history, and how we have operated in the past, it makes it very clear what is going on. You can identify the major players, you can see how decisions are truly made. When you see how these relationships form and their interactions with one another, you can then start seeing certain things about 9/11 which don't particularly add up, and in fact you can see how they are connected with top level people in this country (be it business, be it gov't, whatever).

    I will repeat again, I do not have proof to sway anyone this way or that way. I just want to bring to light particular ideas and particular historical events, which when analyzed, you can see the striking resemblance to how we are operating present day.
    And once again, we illustrate classic conspiracy thinking.

    Conspiracy thinking is rooted in a desire for control and understanding, triggered by a lack of control and information, or ambiguous and unsatisfying information about big events. The authors emphasize that the public often has a lack of access to adequate information to explain historical events (a situational factor). This can be coupled with what has been called a “crippled epistemology” – a tendency to utilize circular reasoning, confirmation bias, and poor logic coupled with this lack of information. The result is a popular conspiracy theory that makes sense (even if a perverse sense) of events.

    One tidbit I found interesting was the offer of the fundamental attribution error as a partial explanation for conspiracy thinking. This is the notion that people tend to assume or overemphasize internal factors (inherent character) as an explanation for the behavior of others, rather than situational or external factors. If we see someone trip while walking down the sidewalk we think they are clumsy, rather than that there was a crack in the sidewalk. We, of course, exempt ourselves from this assumption are are happy to attribute our missteps to unavoidable external factors.

    Conspiracy theorists take this attribution error to the extreme, and will often attribute the behavior of others to internal goals (the conspiracy) rather than benign situational factors.

    One factor that was not mentioned in the article was the related notion of agency detection – the human tendency to see agency in objects and events. We tend to see a hidden agent where there is none. With respect to conspiracy theories this results from seeing an invisible hand behind otherwise disconnected events. This also relates to the desire for control, understanding, and privileged knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by natepro View Post
    And I'll go back even fruther:

    You wanted Cheney to give a shootdown order? Or not? Or what?
    Ok.. on that day, Since Bush and Rumsfeld had left their post (who really are the only people allowed to make those decisions), and their asking you if the orders still stand... You just heard that 2 planes hit in New york and another one is on the way to the Washington, there are missiles ready to shoot it down... You would let the plane be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluefire7002 View Post
    Ok.. on that day, Since Bush and Rumsfeld had left their post (who really are the only people allowed to make those decisions), and their asking you if the orders still stand... You just heard that 2 planes hit in New york and another one is on the way to the Washington, there are missiles ready to shoot it down... You would let the plane be?
    So you are both arguing that the VP doesn't have the authority to order the shootdown, and that he should've ordered the shootdown?
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    tl;dr

    Quote Originally Posted by debo View Post
    Oh for ****'s sake...



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