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  1. #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
    Zito (bless his precious soul) shouldn't have won the Cy Young award over Pedro Martinez in 2002. No one mentioned that one yet really?
    That one is in the OP. One of the few that actually qualify as a snub on his list

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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
    ....Pedro had about double the WAR of Zito even though he pitched 30 less innings in 2002.
    Take a look at rWAR

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    Zito deserved it over Pedro. It may have been close but it certainly wasn't a robbery.

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    Morneau over Santana in '06 was not a snub, that or I have a different definition of the word snub.


    Stats NEVER tell the whole story!

    People over the age of 14 who still write "lol" should be killed

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcs15 View Post
    That one is in the OP. One of the few that actually qualify as a snub on his list
    Ha. My bad. Reading comprehension fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RTL View Post
    Morneau over Santana in '06 was not a snub, that or I have a different definition of the word snub.
    Santana was better than his peers, then Morneau was better than his peers

    Santana - 7.3 rWAR, 7.3 fWAR
    Morneau - 4.0 rWAR, 4.0 fWAR


    Morneau was a .390 wOBA, 138 wRC+ first basemen
    Santana was an elite pitcher. Santana was the best player in the AL in 06


    Hell Sizemore hit almost as well as Morneau, and was a good defensive centerfielder, over an average to weak fielding first basemen.

    Morneau didn't deserve the award

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    Utley not winning any GG at 2B.

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    It's actually really laughable how Morneau won that award, 12th in the AL offensively, and he played first base, and not that well.

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    Nice stuff, i'll add one although it was 17 yrs back. Though it wasn't a huge snub i thought Belle deserved it that year.

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    Last edited by popo85; 11-13-2012 at 06:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
    Santana was better than his peers, then Morneau was better than his peers

    Santana - 7.3 rWAR, 7.3 fWAR
    Morneau - 4.0 rWAR, 4.0 fWAR


    Morneau was a .390 wOBA, 138 wRC+ first basemen
    Santana was an elite pitcher. Santana was the best player in the AL in 06


    Hell Sizemore hit almost as well as Morneau, and was a good defensive centerfielder, over an average to weak fielding first basemen.

    Morneau didn't deserve the award
    Morneau was one of the top players in all of baseball from June on that year and when he took off, the Twins took off. Plus all the Twins were basically campaigning for Morneau that season.


    Stats NEVER tell the whole story!

    People over the age of 14 who still write "lol" should be killed

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaban View Post
    actually i felt that Joe Mauer deserved the MVP over both,


    in fairness you need to look at positional value, Rollins was a great defensive SS and Holliday was a crappy Left Fielder who hit poorly out side of Coors.
    In 2007 Matt Holliday hit .371 at home and .301 on the road.

    .435 OBP at home
    .371 OBP on road

    25 home runs at home
    11 on the road

    28 doubles at home
    22 on road

    -.07 defensive war.

    Argument that his OBP dropped majorly on road invalid. He's still posting a great one at .371

    Wish I could be that crappy a left fielder and hitter away from home
    Last edited by Skippy15; 11-13-2012 at 06:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RTL View Post
    Morneau was one of the top players in all of baseball from June on that year and when he took off, the Twins took off. Plus all the Twins were basically campaigning for Morneau that season.
    So because the Twins players felt he deserved it (and who knows if they even thought Santana was a possibility) that means he did?

    Santana was the best player in the AL that year, Morneau, was maybe the 15th of 20th.

    Hell Frank Thomas, Travis Hafner, and Jim Thome all deserved it over him and they all played the same position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaban View Post

    in fairness you need to look at positional value, Rollins was a great defensive SS and Holliday was a crappy Left Fielder who hit poorly out side of Coors.
    No he didn't and wasn't

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
    So because the Twins players felt he deserved it (and who knows if they even thought Santana was a possibility) that means he did?

    Santana was the best player in the AL that year, Morneau, was maybe the 15th of 20th.

    Hell Frank Thomas, Travis Hafner, and Jim Thome all deserved it over him and they all played the same position.
    Nooooo, I stated why he was deserving of the award. The rest was an explanation of why he did win the award.

    And no, Thomas, Hafner and Thome were all DHs with Hafner appearing in 40 less games than Morneau.
    Last edited by RTL; 11-13-2012 at 06:37 PM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
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