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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaban View Post
    no, there is no god damn way that braun deserved the MVP over Kemp.

    Kemp did everything better, including defense, he was the best player in the league.
    Braun Vs Kemp was 2011 not 2006..
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    Cabrera over trout will be the new number 1 come Thursday..what a shame...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJBASEBALL22 View Post
    I think all of them are good, except for #1... Rollins has a good defense for winning MVP.

    J. Roll's defense and base running have an impact. Holliday's home v. away splits...Holliday was still good on the road but only good. .722 slugging home vs .485 slugging away and his OBP drops 60 points as well and his BA drops 40 points too. Holliday was a negative defender in LF.
    Wright was better than both of them in 2007.

    8.8 fWAR compared to Holliday's 7.7 and Rollin's 6.9 (Shea Stadium was a lot less hitter friendly than Citizen's Bank and Coor's Field that year)

    Wright also had the highest rWAR of the three. (8.1 to 5.8 for Holliday and 5.5 for Rollins)

    Wright was essentially robbed by the Met's terrible finish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaban View Post
    no, there is no god damn way that braun deserved the MVP over Kemp.

    Kemp did everything better, including defense, he was the best player in the league.
    How on earth did you get Braun vs Kemp for the 06 NL MVP?

    Braun was in Double A, and Kemp only played 52 games in the big leagues.

    I didn't say last years MVP, last year it was close, tiny edge to Kemp, but not a snub

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    I'm not going to rank them, but here are my list of snubs since 02.

    There are debetable snubs, like 11 and 05 NL Cy Youngs, but here are, 'these were messed up' awards


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    Wright should have won over Jimmy Rollins

    06
    Santana should have won over his team mate Justin Morneau
    Pujols clearly should have won over Ryan Howard

    05 Santana clearly deserved it over Bartolo Colon

    04 Ichiro probably should have won, but Vlad def shouldn't have won. Not sure who really should have won, Ichiro makes a lot of sense though.
    Johnson should have beat Clemens

    02 A-Rod was way better than Tejada
    Prior deserved it over Gagne


    Didn't mess with Roy

    so I got 8, clear snubs, 2 more debatable one's, and I only agree with Romo on the 02 AL MVP, and the 04 NL Cy Young. And while I agree there are some snubs at a few other years, we don't agree on who should have won.

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    Wright was also better defensively than Rollins and Holliday in 2007.

    Highest UZR and DRS of the three.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
    Zito (bless his precious soul) shouldn't have won the Cy Young award over Pedro Martinez in 2002. No one mentioned that one yet really?
    I wouldn't really call that one a snub. There was at least debate for it. Pedro probably should have won, but Zito didn't turn in a 05 Colon type of season or anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
    Ha. Way more of a snub than most of that original list.
    Have to agree with you there.

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    I think #4 should be #1 or #2, Holy ****!!!

    Also to the Barry Bonds one , it could've gone either way and it went the correct way

    Props.LgnD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
    Zito (bless his precious soul) shouldn't have won the Cy Young award over Pedro Martinez in 2002. No one mentioned that one yet really?
    That one is in the OP. One of the few that actually qualify as a snub on his list

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    Quote Originally Posted by spliff(TONE) View Post
    ....Pedro had about double the WAR of Zito even though he pitched 30 less innings in 2002.
    Take a look at rWAR

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    Zito deserved it over Pedro. It may have been close but it certainly wasn't a robbery.

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    Morneau over Santana in '06 was not a snub, that or I have a different definition of the word snub.

    Would you trust a blind scout? Of course you wouldn't but that's what you do when you simply go by stats

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    Quote Originally Posted by RTL View Post
    Morneau over Santana in '06 was not a snub, that or I have a different definition of the word snub.
    Santana was better than his peers, then Morneau was better than his peers

    Santana - 7.3 rWAR, 7.3 fWAR
    Morneau - 4.0 rWAR, 4.0 fWAR


    Morneau was a .390 wOBA, 138 wRC+ first basemen
    Santana was an elite pitcher. Santana was the best player in the AL in 06


    Hell Sizemore hit almost as well as Morneau, and was a good defensive centerfielder, over an average to weak fielding first basemen.

    Morneau didn't deserve the award

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    Utley not winning any GG at 2B.

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