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    Time should be up

    Hey guys, as hard as it is to admit it, it is now time to literally blow this team up. No matter what. Reggie blew it up as best as he could (Routtt, CJ) without tanking the whole year but I think after this season, trade everyone while they still have some value. What's the point of holding on to Palmer and McFadden when you're constantly losing. Give me some draft picks, we can suck another year with a bunch of rookies, great draft position bc we sucked, and just keep building the next year. I know this is probably already Reggie's plan, but I am just so exhausted of losing, guys. Just like all the rest of you guys are as well. F the year. Sunday broke my silver and black heart. TB broke my silver and black heart as well. We just can't win. I know we have gotten close, but we still keep losing. Just start over. I can't stand looking at the year Indy had last year, then then in ONE EFFING DRAFT they become instant playoff contenders. Shoot, the Broncos lost Cutler then still made the playoffs with Tebow, now they will probably win a Superbowl within the next couple of years if not this year. That's a franchise.... Ok, I vented enough. I know it takes time and this is our first year without Al, but just blow the team up. Trade Palmer, trade DMC. Keep Reece, though. He is our "Reggie Wayne"...at FB/HB/WR

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    If we were three years into this thing and had cap room and some picks ratted away, I would agree wholeheartedly. The reality is you can't trade the entire roster in one shot and I know that you meant the key guys that you mentioned.

    First, you need takers for the guys that you want to move. Then you need available talent that you can acquire through the draft or FA. It's not logistically possible to accomplish this in that short of a time frame given our current cap status and list of needs.

    This will be a piecemeal process that may not always be clear to us, after all, we don't sit in on the meetings in Alameda when future moves are discussed.

    This is a process, we have just made the first moves. If you want to complain that the moves haven't been of significant magnitude, I might even agree, but the resources were not available in this offseason to affect the level of change that most here would desire.

    Patience my friend because that time is coming, I just hope that the current management has the fortitude to stay the course. They will have us singing The Autumn Wind with enthusiasm in the near future....
    " I have only three rules, be on time, pay attention, and play like hell on Sunday"

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    Look, Cable had one shot with a crappy o line, went 8-8. And got fired.

    Reggie did all kinds of questionable moves and we are NOT going to win
    8 games. How come this guy gets a free pass?

    Many of us on here said time and time again that DMC is over rated and should go.
    We get folks on here that still says he is amazing while the guy is getting out rushed by his backup from last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Priest View Post
    Look, Cable had one shot with a crappy o line, went 8-8. And got fired.

    Reggie did all kinds of questionable moves and we are NOT going to win
    8 games. How come this guy gets a free pass?

    Many of us on here said time and time again that DMC is over rated and should go.
    We get folks on here that still says he is amazing while the guy is getting out rushed by his backup from last year.
    Those are valid points, but this is a new regime with authority flowing done to the different levels, management has been chosen in a logical order for the first time in forty years.

    I don't think that McKenzie gets a pass if he stinks after a few years. I also do not think that enough time has passed to make an accurate and fair evaluation.

    If we started with room under the cap and a full slate of draft picks, then yeah, give the guy a short leash, but there is going to be a considerable effort just to get to that starting point from where we started the '12 season.

    As far as McFadden, do we know that he wasn't shopped around and got no takers? Just saying.

    There is clearly a ton more work to do, just saying give it a bit more time for the vision to materialize for us, the fans....
    " I have only three rules, be on time, pay attention, and play like hell on Sunday"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Priest View Post
    Look, Cable had one shot with a crappy o line, went 8-8. And got fired.

    Reggie did all kinds of questionable moves and we are NOT going to win
    8 games. How come this guy gets a free pass?
    You answered your own question. That short sighted thinking is what got the Raiders into this mess to begin with. The whole "one and done" coaching staff has been a disaster.

    Championship teams done come up out of nowhere. There has to be continuity from the top down to build a great team.

    Let these guys draft, trade, and coach like they were brought here to do. Don't let last year's fleeting 8-8 record blind you to what was really happening. The defense was still a mess and DMC/Bush were carrying that team on their backs. They were still the all time king of penalties and had a total defensive collapse in the second half of the season. Hue didn't do anything but talk his way right out of a job.

    This year's defense is full of has beens and never-was players. There's going to be a lot of changes this offseason since RM and DA are actually working together and have common goals. This is how it should be. Not the old Al Davis "Here's all of your players and you defensive schemes, now go win".
    PLEASE WELCOME THE NEW COACH OF YOUR OAKLAND RAIDERS.....



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    give it 2-3 more years till we can save some $$ and get some real players. Then maybe we will hit that 8-8 mark again.....smh
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    I said last season that we should trade DMC and almost got banned for it... smh

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickdymez View Post
    I said last season that we should trade DMC and almost got banned for it... smh
    You weren't the only one who wanted to trade DMC.

    You're still not the only one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shred003 View Post
    you weren't the only one who wanted to trade dmc.

    You're still not the only one.
    x3!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaiderJunkee View Post
    x3!
    Make that x4.

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    There has been no stability over the last 8 years. Between coaching changes and coordinators...no wonder the players are confused.
    Couple that with a BIG cap problem, the results are what they are.
    It's going to take at least 2 years to get this sorted out. Making any changes in the coaching staff will prolong the fix. That's the reason this team has not been successful. Last year was a tease because the whole division stunk. We came close, so we had high expectations this year which adds to the frustration.

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    If you going to try to create a superbowl winning team, and lets admit it thats the ONLY reason for playing the game, wouldnt it be intellegent to properly evaluate each player of that team. That is what Reggie, and DA are doing here. A lot of people on here are saying tank, lets go for a high draft pick, or trade for more picks. Trade everyone!
    The fact is we aint getting shite from nobody for our trash. Hell a lot of out garbage is other people's leftovers ( seymour, barns, brisiel.) Seymour and kelly by the way just might be the most overrated dts ever. If you can think of any let me know.
    Im a season ticket holder, and ive been to every home game and some of these guys have fight, and if I was trying to create a superbowl team, i would want to know whos gonna step up and gonna get squashed.
    This team will win some more games, the schedules getting easier, and our defense wont get torched like that every week. (although this might be a bad time to say that before facing pro bowler brees.) Its not gonna be enough for the playoffs but i wouldnt be shocked if we finish 7-9, 8-8.
    And thats ok, I think im starting to understand what reggie has in plan for the raiders, and I am very excited. DA will be the next great nfl head, but great things dont always happen over night. I dont want my head coach worried about what the idiots in the black hole think, they dont even know to keep quite when the offense is trying to work and call plays on the line. (we have a lot of great fans, but a lot of drunk idiots too).

    patience is a virtue

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    I agree with this topic. Reggie should make any trade that offers good value. Of course that means that it wont become a "Marlins" style fire sale, where everyone has to go, But I encourage moving anyone that has some sort of market value, and isnt part of the long term plan.

    Besides that, I do NOT agree with trading Carson Palmer because, He offers stability at QB. If not alone For the simple fact that you cant expect to draft a WR and develop him with Pryor out there at QB.

    Anyone on Defense is basically expandable. I would however like to see Huff go. He's simply not earning his money for several years now. He can be easily replaced.

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    I agree with op, I think Reggie's already started the blow up process...might as well let him complete it before judging wether or not he knows how to be a gm

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    Whether or not Knapp is coming back next year I'm coming around more and more to the thought of trading DMC. Especially if it gets us a 2nd round pick.

    He will be in a contract year next year...but he'll also be injured for half of it, too.

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