Bargnani yes or no.

[gwrighter]

Who is mgmt?

the managerial staff. BCo, Stefanski & cronies.

[Tmath]

I'd trade Bargnani for Carl Landry, if GS would do it(which I don't think they would).

He's an FA at the end of the year, he would definitely be a target, I love his game.

[Raps08-09 Champ]

Raps need to get rid of Bargnani asap. I heard from a source that major changes are coming to the Raps lineup & that the euro experiment is done in T.O.

Also heard some trouble brewing between mgmt & Casey. Mgmt is giving him too many "suggestions".

There was a European experiment in Toronto? I just assumed they tried to get players who wanted to come here and they struck a deal with, regardless of whether or not they were European.

[Raps08-09 Champ]

Bargnani's definitely more talented. Bargnani just isn't producing so far.

[Tmath]

Last year. Even coming into this year, you had people expecting Bargnani to play at a high level consistently when they shouldn't have relied on to begin with. Now because Bargnani isn't living up to some fans' high and unreasonable expectations, they are mad again.

He was the number 1 pick, high expectations are expected. He hasn't lived up to them, time to cut our losses and move on.

[Tmath]

Bargnani's definitely more talented. Bargnani just isn't producing so far.

West is very talented and is tough as nails

Bargs is a soft noodle.

[Raps08-09 Champ]

He was the number 1 pick, high expectations are expected. He hasn't lived up to them, time to cut our losses and move on.

High expectations don't equal realistic expectations. Fans set Bargnani up for failure.

[Tmath]

the managerial staff. BCo, Stefanski & cronies.

Figures.

I just hope something gets done soon.

[Raps08-09 Champ]

West is very talented and is tough as nails

Bargs is a soft noodle.

Doesn't change the fact that Bargnani is still more talented.

[gwrighter]

He's an FA at the end of the year, he would definitely be a target, I love his game.

If he opts out I'd be all for looking at him as an option at PF. Having Amir & Landry split time at PF would be good for us.

There was a European experiment in Toronto? I just assumed they tried to get players who wanted to come here and they struck a deal with, regardless of whether or not they were European.

There definitely was a euro experiment. Not good nor bad, but it's just done now. Raps need two way players. the last Euro two way player the raps had since Jonas was Garbo. Raps need two way players.

[Saddler The Gr8]

High expectations don't equal realistic expectations. Fans set Bargnani up for failure.

no he sets himself up for failure by shooting **** %s, not rebounding, not defending, and being a useless piece of **** whenever he can't score. don't give him a pass by blaming his **** play on us.

[Raps08-09 Champ]

There definitely was a euro experiment.

They didn't get the players because they were European. They got the players because they fit with the team.

Not good nor bad, but it's just done now. Raps need two way players.

If they want 2 way players, why do they have to end the "European experiement" when Europeans can be just as good 2 way players and basically black players.

the last Euro two way player the raps had since Jonas was Garbo. Raps need two way players.

All teams need 2 way players. Doesn't mean they have to stop looking at European players.

[Tmath]

Doesn't change the fact that Bargnani is still more talented.

Its debatable.

He may have more talent but he doesn't know how to use it to the fullest.

West also has strength and toughness on his side to make up for it.

[Raps08-09 Champ]

no he sets himself up for failure by shooting **** %s, not rebounding, not defending, and being a useless piece of **** whenever he can't score. don't give him a pass by blaming his **** play on us.

I never said he didn't play a part in his failure. It's just stupid having fans expect him to do things they already know he can't do. Expect what's realistic, not what you fantasize about. When you expect what's realistic, you can go somewhere.

I'm not giving him a pass. I'm just saying fans play a role in his own demise.

[gwrighter]

Bargnani is the 7foot version of J.R. Smith. Talent, athletic but posesses nothing between the ears.