Out of the three* undefeated teams, which matchup provides the best game to watch?

[Pinstripe power]

We'll revisit this post after USC beats Notre Dame on the 24th!

when its a moot point because oregon lsot to stanford the week before?


see its just as easy to do that both ways

[Pinstripe power]

Yeah but they still worry me. They will have literally nothing to lose (as far as conference rank) when they play ND at home, Barkley's last game, national TV, chance to spoil a rivals undefeated regular season.

agreed, but they always worry me because its a rivalry game. i have no doubt ND is the better team, its a matter if they want it more and prove it

[Pinstripe power]

Yeah, that's why I said in the other thread we'll know more about Oregon after they go against Stanford's front seven.

Maybe, but I still might pick them over Michigan on a neutral field.

agree to disagree there. that still doesn't change the fact that USC is oregons best win, while michigan is at best NDs third best win. ND going undefeated will only hurt USC as well ebcause thats another lost to their total

[desertrat218]

no i did read that. there still is no jsutifying a division 1 AA. if uyou have one on our schedule, for whatever reason, it should drastically hurt your scheudle. you basiclaly play an 11 game scheudle to another teams (ND in this cases) 12 game schedule.


im not punishing oregon, im calling it what it is. a ****** non-bcs almost unloseable game. its vastly inferior to any game on NDs scheudle by a long shot. no way should any team be rewarded for that either, since compared to oregon, that team is a joke.

Almost every single FBS team now plays an FCS team, but for those in the Pac 12, B1G, SEC, and ACC they still have to play a conference title game at the end. It more than evens out.

[Pinstripe power]

Almost every single FBS team now plays an FCS team, but for those in the Pac 12, B1G, SEC, and ACC they still have to play a conference title game at the end. It more than evens out.

almost is not all and ND is not part of that almost. That should reflect in the BCS standings. that alone should have ND over one of oreogn and KSU. they dont play a tune up game

[desertrat218]

almost is not all and ND is not part of that almost. That should reflect in the BCS standings. that alone should have ND over one of oreogn and KSU. they dont play a tune up game

Seriously? Oregon still plays Stanford and Oregon State which will likely mean by the end of the season their SOS will surpass Notre Dame's....and that doesn't even count the Pac 12 title game against either UCLA or USC. As of this week Notre Dame SOS is 28, Oregon is 45.

[Pinstripe power]

Seriously? Oregon still plays Stanford and Oregon State which will likely mean by the end of the season their SOS will surpass Notre Dame's....and that doesn't even count the Pac 12 title game against either UCLA or USC. As of this week Notre Dame SOS is 28, Oregon is 45.

see again, thos ewould be the only good teams that Oregon faced. Combine that witht he fact that ND played and beta one of those teams and beat a tema better than the other and will hurt oregons SOS if they beat USC and again the fatc that Oregon had a gimme win agaisnt a 1 AA while ND did not, ND should still be on top

[desertrat218]

see again, thos ewould be the only good teams that Oregon faced. Combine that witht he fact that ND played and beta one of those teams and beat a tema better than the other and will hurt oregons SOS if they beat USC and again the fatc that Oregon had a gimme win agaisnt a 1 AA while ND did not, ND should still be on top

You really don't understand how SOS works at all do you? Take a look at where both Stanford and Oregon State are currently ranked. USC may not even be ranked after they lose to UCLA this week!

[Pinstripe power]

You really don't understand how SOS works at all do you? Take a look at where both Stanford and Oregon State are currently ranked. USC may not even be ranked after they lose to UCLA this week!

USC is Oregons big win, not NDs so i fail to see you point. The fact that Oreogns biggest win might be unranked soon proves my point exactly that roegon hasn't played anyone. Stanford and oklhoma (who will liekly finish as a top 10 team) are more impressive wins then stanford and oregon state. throw in USC and michigan comapred to USC and Oreogns 4th bets win, ND still wins.

[valade16]

almost is not all and ND is not part of that almost. That should reflect in the BCS standings. that alone should have ND over one of oreogn and KSU. they dont play a tune up game

see again, thos ewould be the only good teams that Oregon faced. Combine that witht he fact that ND played and beta one of those teams and beat a tema better than the other and will hurt oregons SOS if they beat USC and again the fatc that Oregon had a gimme win agaisnt a 1 AA while ND did not, ND should still be on top

Are you under the impression that Strength of Schedule is the end all/be all when it comes to ranking teams?

Ask a simple question: What team do you think is better, Oregon or Notre Dame? Most would answer Oregon.

Strength of Schedule isn't the only way to judge teams.

[Bravo95]

that still doesn't change the fact that USC is oregons best win, while michigan is at best NDs third best win.

No argument from me, I agree.

But as long as they have Lee and Woods, USC has at least a puncher's chance against anyone in the country.

[steelcityroller]

there is no to be fair. there is no reaosn any division school should be playing a divisiopn 1 AA. if you do play one, it should certianly hurt you in you SOS and BCS ranking. that reason alone should have ND ahead of KSU and Oregon. unlike those 2, ND scheudle has 12 BSC elibgible teams

How do you propose every school in FBS go about scheduling without FCS schools? You know how impossible that would be to coordinate.... Imagine having a 120-team league broken down in conferences and all them only being able to play each other once and having to sit down and create those schedules.

[Pinstripe power]

How do you propose every school in FBS go about scheduling without FCS schools? You know how impossible that would be to coordinate.... Imagine having a 120-team league broken down in conferences and all them only being able to play each other once and having to sit down and create those schedules.

Notre dame doesnt seem to have a problem having a 12 game scheudle without a 1 AA. You want to scheudle one, thats fine, but teams that dont should be rewarded for it

[Pinstripe power]

Are you under the impression that Strength of Schedule is the end all/be all when it comes to ranking teams?

Ask a simple question: What team do you think is better, Oregon or Notre Dame? Most would answer Oregon.

Strength of Schedule isn't the only way to judge teams.

i dont know which is better. I do know, however, that ND has the better resume

[desertrat218]

Notre dame doesnt seem to have a problem having a 12 game scheudle without a 1 AA. You want to scheudle one, thats fine, but teams that dont should be rewarded for it

Notre Dame doesn't play a conference championship game after they play those 12 games, that is why Notre Dame cannot afford to play FCS schools!