Better rivalry now L.A.-S.F. or Bos-NYY ?

[d79cheese]

There are plenty of teams with good 1, 2 punches that dont contend. Kershaw and Billingsley make just as good of a punch i would say. I like Stratton, and love Belt. Crawford is very good defensively, but isnt really an impact player. Gary Brown's speed is well known but look how many times he got caught stealing this year. Pretty horrible amount considering how fast he is. Mediocrity may have been a harsh term, i shouldve said i dont see them being the front runners for the pennant. It will be nice to have Zito off of the books, but that money will be needed to keep Sandoval and probably Belt who i think will have a breakout year next year. And Crick as i said before has nasty stuff, I like him a lot. I'm in the minority i know that, but i see the Giants falling off a bit. Just an opinion though.

I can agree witht this. When you compared them to the Blue Jays it didn't make much sense cuz the Blue Jays went basically irrelevant after the strike.

[Jeffy25]

Breaking news buddy, race is still a huge factor in contemporary social issues. A majority of conservatives supported Romney because Obama is not a wealthy white protestant male from traditional white families.

And Obama got 93% of the African-American vote.

If you are going to profile, make sure you are aware it works both ways.

Skippy was never trying to use race as a crutch. He was saying race shouldn't matter when discussing these things, that all people should see things as color-blinded individuals.

It was in response to it being brought up that Stowe was white, which doesn't matter, just like it wouldn't/shouldn't matter if he was Black, Latino, Asian, Jewish, female, etc.

It shouldn't matter, and it shouldn't have been brought up.

[spliff(TONE)]

In this case I don't think the coverage would be much different if Stow was of a different race. To think that this is always the case when it comes to news coverage of certain things would be foolhardy though.

[raidersrock99]

And Obama got 93% of the African-American vote.

If you are going to profile, make sure you are aware it works both ways.

Skippy was never trying to use race as a crutch. He was saying race shouldn't matter when discussing these things, that all people should see things as color-blinded individuals.

It was in response to it being brought up that Stowe was white, which doesn't matter, just like it wouldn't/shouldn't matter if he was Black, Latino, Asian, Jewish, female, etc.

It shouldn't matter, and it shouldn't have been brought up.

thank you jeffy, people think that its only "white" people that are racist. but everyone said im voting for obama because he is black. it shouldnt happen either way. and its definately not a factor when it comes to how much giants fans care about brian stowe. if he was purple i would have the same feeling about it

[raidersrock99]

There are plenty of teams with good 1, 2 punches that dont contend. Kershaw and Billingsley make just as good of a punch i would say. I like Stratton, and love Belt. Crawford is very good defensively, but isnt really an impact player. Gary Brown's speed is well known but look how many times he got caught stealing this year. Pretty horrible amount considering how fast he is. Mediocrity may have been a harsh term, i shouldve said i dont see them being the front runners for the pennant. It will be nice to have Zito off of the books, but that money will be needed to keep Sandoval and probably Belt who i think will have a breakout year next year. And Crick as i said before has nasty stuff, I like him a lot. I'm in the minority i know that, but i see the Giants falling off a bit. Just an opinion though.

you forgot one very important name in this post posey.


think if the giants lock up pagan

our teams core will be

rf-pagan
cf-brown
1b-belt
ss-crawford
3b-pablo
c-posey
lf-pence(depending on how he does this year)
2b-panik

pitching staff

cain
bumgarner
stratton
timmy-one bad year
vogey/crick

our core is young, and still higly talented this is without any free agents or trades to come.. anyway i know the dodgers are stacked in the farm should be an interesting few years

[jbeezy]

Only they're not the big time team in the west .

They are not even the best team in Souther California.

[dodgerdave]

LA/SF these days isn't what it was in the past. If you want to see a real rivalry, then turn back the clock to the 1960's during the age of the Drysdale/Marichal beanball wars. And I would say the rivalry has ebbed even more in recent years with the departure of Barry Bonds.

[dodgernation]

Jokes like that are just awful. Shows the ignorance of Dodgers fans. Low class citizens.

yeah! every dodger fan is a low class citizen! makes sense!

[The SF Giant]

We're bringing race into this now? If he was another race I'm sure everyone would be as concerned and outraged by this. Give me a ****ing break. That's such a ****ing stupid statement. There'd still be people praying for him, there'd still be people donating money to him, Barry Bonds would still be setting up a college fund for his kids, etc.

BS

If Brian Stowe was Carlos Hernandez, he'd be forgotten a week after the incident.

You gotta be real naive if you think white victims don't get way more press than non-whites.

Where's the non-white version of Natalee Holloway, Jon Benet Ramsey, Elizabeth Smart etc?

[ciaban]

I didn't see your original joke, but all I can say to this long-winded group of responses is: GET A CLUE. No one is mistaking you for Daniel ****ing Tosh, man.

i didn't think anyone would confuse me for danile tosh, there would be no need to think that.
Also, i guess i am just confused because i made joke about a dodger fan who drowned and it's still up there, but Brian Stowe lived and that joke isn't cool? I don't really get it. Are people afraid that Brian Stowe will read that joke? Because, he can't read and i am not sure if he knows how to be offended anymore but i am not Doctor.
And are you saying my response is long winded or everyone else is long winded, because some of the people i responded to i was agreeing with, it sounds like you just kind of glossed over stuff but want talk crap anyway.

This issue would just be as big if he was non-white. I truly believe it. To bring race into this is just stupid. It's about a guy who almost got killed. Why do we need to argue that it would be different otherwise? It's pointless and just not going to end up pretty.

I think Holocaust and 911 jokes are bad as well. I seriously don't see the need to make fun of Brian Stow and the situation. If this happened to your dad you wouldn't think it's funny and I'm sure would be pissed off if you heard a joke about it. When people say jokes like that they look pretty low. You trying to even reason why it's ok to make fun of the situation just makes yourself look bad. It's just not cool (as you can see by the response on PSD at least).

Victor Murillo, that's my response, the dude drowned in the bay out side of telephone booth stadium, he got none of the attention, there aren't any players donating money to his family, he is just dead.

Why are Holocaust and 911 and pearl harbor jokes bad? Are you saying that no one has written a good joke about these things? Or no one should be allowed to? Why? If George Carlin can make rape jokes, anyone should be allowed to do anything. Also, me and my father don't have the best relationship, so if someone was making fun of him being dead i probably wouldn't care. My mom feels the same way about her father.

Also, the jokes couldn't be that inappropriate, because i made a Victor Murrillo joke and it's still up there. So i guess this stuff isn't that bad. Selective censorship is confusing.

[ciaban]

LA-SF is way more intense, just ask bryan stow. (no offense).

GOD DAMN IT, I SAID THIS EXACT THING AND IT GOT CENSORED, I AM SO GOD DAMN JEALOUS

People of color die everyday in communities that are underserved, however, we get breaking news of thugs vandalizing some "white" persons pumpkins in their front yard.


Breaking news buddy, race is still a huge factor in contemporary social issues. A majority of conservatives supported Romney because Obama is not a wealthy white protestant male from traditional white families.



And who are these people you are referring too? Quit being general and playing down the role of race in todays social issues. You are just another privileged sheltered kid who don't understand the racial hierarchy in place to keep down people who are not white.

in fairness Romney isn't a protestant he is a Mormon. But race is still absolutely a prevalent issue.

ya not really a joking matter

why not? Just because things are mean or dark doesn't mean they can't be funny

Hate to break It to you but the media attention was entirely based in race.

They simply take the story that sells, period. Two white guys,two black guys, two asian or whatever, in the same situation would have been an overnight come and go story.

It is what it is.

absolutely

No, he got killed because of racial profiling. Sounds like you were privileged enough to be white, its something that people of color like to call "white privilege." When you are ignorant and discard issues of race and discrimination, you are blinded by white privilege. I did not say the guy deserve to get beat, but anyone can practice common sense. If I was a Giants fan attending a dodger home game, I would definitely not call out dodger fans.

I'm going to be honest, i love white privilege, i never leave home with out it. Your right he wasn't applying any common sense, and got his *** kicked, that's what happened, i never leave a crowd, or go off alone when i go to games in SF

And Obama got 93% of the African-American vote.

If you are going to profile, make sure you are aware it works both ways.

Skippy was never trying to use race as a crutch. He was saying race shouldn't matter when discussing these things, that all people should see things as color-blinded individuals.

It was in response to it being brought up that Stowe was white, which doesn't matter, just like it wouldn't/shouldn't matter if he was Black, Latino, Asian, Jewish, female, etc.

It shouldn't matter, and it shouldn't have been brought up.

because black people don't run the media and don't have any control over the content, however, when looking at what gets played in the news cycles, a little white girl getting kidnapped will always get billing over a little black girl getting kid napped, and i don't think people are racist for voting a certain way. Are all Mormons racist for voting for Romney?

[RTL]

How is this thread still open?

[Leandres_sf]

And Obama got 93% of the African-American vote.

If you are going to profile, make sure you are aware it works both ways.

Skippy was never trying to use race as a crutch. He was saying race shouldn't matter when discussing these things, that all people should see things as color-blinded individuals.

It was in response to it being brought up that Stowe was white, which doesn't matter, just like it wouldn't/shouldn't matter if he was Black, Latino, Asian, Jewish, female, etc.

It shouldn't matter, and it shouldn't have been brought up.

[Leandres_sf]

Are all Mormons racist for voting for Romney?

Mormon isn't a race, it's a religion.

[Az_Dodgers_Fan]

Dodgers/Giants. They have been rivals since before the other teams even existed. Besides until 5 years ago (and one massive force feeding of said "rivalry") the Yankees/Red Sox wasn't even a rivalry. If ESPN wasnt halfway between Boston and NYC no one would even care about them.