Better rivalry now L.A.-S.F. or Bos-NYY ?

[ciaban]

So what that it's been 2 years? It's still not cool. Dude almost lost his life because he's an idiot and his young kids will have the same dad again.

fixed. I have gone to plenty of games at telephone booth park,i have gotten drunk at games, i never wander off alone, even if i go to the bathroom or something i make sure my friends wait out side, i always stay in a crowed, most large groups of people wont let a couple of jerks jump me, and i don't talk crap unless there is security near by, the fact that he has young kids should have made him that much more careful, if you have kids don't drink and drive, they need you alive. It's as simple as that.

Pretty obviously what you said had to be deleted.

The Giants fans posts that were deleted were deleted because they quoted your post.

It was not an okay joke to make, don't do it again.

on this site at least it's dodgers and giants, we don't get along well at all, just like at the stadium, to quote dodger fan victor morillo, "glubglubglubglub".

don't do it again huh? really, cause i did do it again, damn if only i had known i wouldn't have made a joke about a guy who is dead, is that why it's ok because he is dead? it must be OK because it is still up for the world to see. Is it because he WAS a dodger fan, he was a prison guard in vacavile i want to say, 27 years old, with a family, but that's ok. Making fun of poor brain stowe, for wandering off from his group and getting his head beat in that's a problem, awesome. I didn't think it was all that obvious, because i made a similar joke later and it's still up there.

The brian stowe jokes are tasteless I agree, but people comment as if stowe did not have a part in instigating the fight and was walking innocently in the parking lot. There were phone videos showing stowe heckling other dodger fans. I know plenty of Giants fans who go to the game and safely returned home.

stowe is not all that innocent, but because he is white and was the victim of course people will come to his aid.

oh, btw, stowe had 3 friends with him that night and was beaten down by two men, how did that happen?

that joke is objectively funny, absolutely mean and macabre, but still very funny, like danile tosh,
Oh yeah race definitely plays a part in this, if 2 girls get kidnapped, one is white one is non-white, the white girl is all we will hear about, look at nancy grace for instance, all the kidnappings and missing kids she covers are all cute little white girls. She is on national television.

We're bringing race into this now? If he was another race I'm sure everyone would be as concerned and outraged by this. Give me a ****ing break. That's such a ****ing stupid statement. There'd still be people praying for him, there'd still be people donating money to him, Barry Bonds would still be setting up a college fund for his kids, etc.

I haven't seen any videos, but even if he was talking **** (which is dumb), that still doesn't warrant a vicious beating that nearly ended his life and will never make him the same person or dad again.

not for as long and it wouldn't have got the same coverage, and sure money would be donated but not as much, lets not kid ourselves. this is the way things have always worked.
No one said he deserved to be beaten to death, just like if someone works with pyrotechnics you hope they never get burned, but if they do it is understandable,
Why was Stowe alone? He was with 2-3 other people at that game, why wasn't he in an area with lots of people, most dodger fans wouldn't have let him get beat to death, they would have intervened, or the thugs wouldn't have wanted to do something with too many witnesses. If you put yourself in dangerous situations bad things will happen.
If you live with a crack head don't come crying when that person steals from you, I mean yeah the person shouldn't have done it, and you didn't deserve to be robbed, however, the only persons actions I can control are my own, so i won't put myself in positions with little control.
He was being dumb and unfortunately got hurt, but he isn't holy, if the president of the united states can be mocked, if the catholic church can be mocked, if the bible or quran can be mocked, why can't he? People make Holocaust and 911 jokes, but Brian Stowe is untouchable? Why?

[ciaban]

Yup.

It's just not a violent rivalry.

My wife is a Cubs fan, I'm a Cards fan.

We both feel safe going to Wrigley and Busch in our gear.

Many of my closest friends are Cubs fans. It's a genuinely fun rivalry, playful jokes back and forth. But nobody hates each other.

I just think it's really the way people are, and the temperament of people in the mid-west vs the coasts. We don't take it that seriously.

the temperament around the country is about the same, except in Utah,
Isn't San Francisco considered the definition of a laid back city?

[SportsAndrew25]

If you asked this question in 2004, I would unblinkingly say Yankees/Red Sox. Consider how bereft of quality players the current Red Sox roster is, the Giants and Dodgers are clearly the better rivalry. The Giants just won the World Series and the Dodgers are very well going to be a contending team for years to come with the new ownership group and the massive influx of cash that will come in.

[spliff(TONE)]

Yup.

It's just not a violent rivalry.

My wife is a Cubs fan, I'm a Cards fan.

We both feel safe going to Wrigley and Busch in our gear.

Many of my closest friends are Cubs fans. It's a genuinely fun rivalry, playful jokes back and forth. But nobody hates each other.

I just think it's really the way people are, and the temperament of people in the mid-west vs the coasts. We don't take it that seriously.

....or it could just have something to do with the fact that the Cubs have been a non-threat for so long.

[Jeffy25]

....or it could just have something to do with the fact that the Cubs have been a non-threat for so long.

Won 97 games in 08

[LASportsFan1996]

Won 97 games in 08 (best record in baseball)

Those playoffs were fun

[spliff(TONE)]

fixed. I have gone to plenty of games at telephone booth park,i have gotten drunk at games, i never wander off alone, even if i go to the bathroom or something i make sure my friends wait out side, i always stay in a crowed, most large groups of people wont let a couple of jerks jump me, and i don't talk crap unless there is security near by, the fact that he has young kids should have made him that much more careful, if you have kids don't drink and drive, they need you alive. It's as simple as that.

don't do it again huh? really, cause i did do it again, damn if only i had known i wouldn't have made a joke about a guy who is dead, is that why it's ok because he is dead? it must be OK because it is still up for the world to see. Is it because he WAS a dodger fan, he was a prison guard in vacavile i want to say, 27 years old, with a family, but that's ok. Making fun of poor brain stowe, for wandering off from his group and getting his head beat in that's a problem, awesome. I didn't think it was all that obvious, because i made a similar joke later and it's still up there.

that joke is objectively funny, absolutely mean and macabre, but still very funny, like danile tosh,
Oh yeah race definitely plays a part in this, if 2 girls get kidnapped, one is white one is non-white, the white girl is all we will hear about, look at nancy grace for instance, all the kidnappings and missing kids she covers are all cute little white girls. She is on national television.


not for as long and it wouldn't have got the same coverage, and sure money would be donated but not as much, lets not kid ourselves. this is the way things have always worked.
No one said he deserved to be beaten to death, just like if someone works with pyrotechnics you hope they never get burned, but if they do it is understandable,
Why was Stowe alone? He was with 2-3 other people at that game, why wasn't he in an area with lots of people, most dodger fans wouldn't have let him get beat to death, they would have intervened, or the thugs wouldn't have wanted to do something with too many witnesses. If you put yourself in dangerous situations bad things will happen.
If you live with a crack head don't come crying when that person steals from you, I mean yeah the person shouldn't have done it, and you didn't deserve to be robbed, however, the only persons actions I can control are my own, so i won't put myself in positions with little control.
He was being dumb and unfortunately got hurt, but he isn't holy, if the president of the united states can be mocked, if the catholic church can be mocked, if the bible or quran can be mocked, why can't he? People make Holocaust and 911 jokes, but Brian Stowe is untouchable? Why?

I didn't see your original joke, but all I can say to this long-winded group of responses is: GET A CLUE. No one is mistaking you for Daniel ****ing Tosh, man.

[spliff(TONE)]

Won 97 games in 08

Haven't won a pennant since 1945

Haven't won the World Series since 1908

[SFrush90]

not for as long and it wouldn't have got the same coverage, and sure money would be donated but not as much, lets not kid ourselves. this is the way things have always worked.
No one said he deserved to be beaten to death, just like if someone works with pyrotechnics you hope they never get burned, but if they do it is understandable,
Why was Stowe alone? He was with 2-3 other people at that game, why wasn't he in an area with lots of people, most dodger fans wouldn't have let him get beat to death, they would have intervened, or the thugs wouldn't have wanted to do something with too many witnesses. If you put yourself in dangerous situations bad things will happen.

If you live with a crack head don't come crying when that person steals from you, I mean yeah the person shouldn't have done it, and you didn't deserve to be robbed, however, the only persons actions I can control are my own, so i won't put myself in positions with little control.
He was being dumb and unfortunately got hurt, but he isn't holy, if the president of the united states can be mocked, if the catholic church can be mocked, if the bible or quran can be mocked, why can't he? People make Holocaust and 911 jokes, but Brian Stowe is untouchable? Why?

This issue would just be as big if he was non-white. I truly believe it. To bring race into this is just stupid. It's about a guy who almost got killed. Why do we need to argue that it would be different otherwise? It's pointless and just not going to end up pretty.

I think Holocaust and 911 jokes are bad as well. I seriously don't see the need to make fun of Brian Stow and the situation. If this happened to your dad you wouldn't think it's funny and I'm sure would be pissed off if you heard a joke about it. When people say jokes like that they look pretty low. You trying to even reason why it's ok to make fun of the situation just makes yourself look bad. It's just not cool (as you can see by the response on PSD at least).

[jonnydanger1]

It's better rivalry now. Read the title.

What? It's historically a better rivalry because of the close numbers and it's obviously a better rivalry right now, considering the dodgers and giants fought it out until the end of August. The Dodgers are now spending Yankee money to compete for a World Series that the Giants just won, is there any question it's a better rivalry right now?

[Tragedy]

There is not great rivalry in baseball right now.. Dodgers arent on the same level as Giants. And Red Sox have returned to also ran team.. Not that the Yanks have been unstoppable last few seasons..

Dodgers are gonna win the World Championship of Insane payroll soon if they havent already clinched it..

True. No rivalry is fantastic right now because at least one team in all the rivalries isn't close to the same level as the other team.

Dodgers are not on the level of the World Series Giants.

Red Sox suck, Yankees are old (at least they made the Playoffs, though).

Cardinals are solid, Cubs are laughable.

[Skippy15]

We're bringing race into this now? If he was another race I'm sure everyone would be as concerned and outraged by this. Give me a ****ing break. That's such a ****ing stupid statement. There'd still be people praying for him, there'd still be people donating money to him, Barry Bonds would still be setting up a college fund for his kids, etc.

I haven't seen any videos, but even if he was talking **** (which is dumb), that still doesn't warrant a vicious beating that nearly ended his life and will never make him the same person or dad again.

Exactly. It's like the trayvon Martin ****. The kid was a bit of a thug and a punk. Thats not arguable, he was a class ditcher, bad student (obvious even further since family is fighting to keep school records private), he wasnt a bad person it sounds like but he was still a bit of a teenage punk. He didnt deserve to be killed by any means but people had to make it a race thing. The actual crime itself was a racial crime. But the people claiming the only reason it got publicity was because he was black, that's ridiculous. It was news because a young boy was shot and killed in an extreme manner.

[Skippy15]

Im also throwing out that while there isn't a ton of history as of right now their is more bad blood between the reds and cardinals than there is between any of these teams

[Scully in 2012]

We're bringing race into this now? If he was another race I'm sure everyone would be as concerned and outraged by this. Give me a ****ing break. That's such a ****ing stupid statement. There'd still be people praying for him, there'd still be people donating money to him, Barry Bonds would still be setting up a college fund for his kids, etc.

I haven't seen any videos, but even if he was talking **** (which is dumb), that still doesn't warrant a vicious beating that nearly ended his life and will never make him the same person or dad again.

Exactly. It's like the trayvon Martin ****. The kid was a bit of a thug and a punk. Thats not arguable, he was a class ditcher, bad student (obvious even further since family is fighting to keep school records private), he wasnt a bad person it sounds like but he was still a bit of a teenage punk. He didnt deserve to be killed by any means but people had to make it a race thing. The actual crime itself was a racial crime. But the people claiming the only reason it got publicity was because he was black, that's ridiculous. It was news because a young boy was shot and killed in an extreme manner.

Hate to break It to you but the media attention was entirely based in race.

They simply take the story that sells, period. Two white guys,two black guys, two asian or whatever, in the same situation would have been an overnight come and go story.

It is what it is.

[Skippy15]

Hate to break It to you but the media attention was entirely based in race.

They simply take the story that sells, period. Two white guys,two black guys, two asian or whatever, in the same situation would have been an overnight come and go story.

It is what it is.

Race plays into everything to an extent in news stories like these. But no matter the race people would still be watching and sending prayers and whatever to these families.

Race matters a small amount, they will play things off to certain to certain races to make people watch but as long as they report it people will watch.

So hate to break it to you but race had nothing to do with it as far as people being captivated by the story, people would make the same amount of fuss if either of these cases were Asian, white, black, Hispanic or any other race. If a teen is dragged down and shot or a dad is beaten to near death at a baseball game, no matter what people will watch and care