If you want the ultimate, you've got to be willing to pay the ultimate price. It's not tragic to die doing what you love.
kobe has declined from his peak. But the fact that he's still a top 3 player in the league while "declining" really shows how good he was during his peak, and how well developed his game is to adjust to his age and mileage.
While you could maybe argue he is a Top 3 player its unlikely he'll remain in the Top 5 by seasons end and he wasn't a Top 5 player last year.Originally Posted by Money_23
However if he keeps playing the way he has been playing (unselfishly) and remains so effective offensively he could theoretically have another season in the Top 10 and at his age and with his mileage that is indeed quite impressive.
anyone else find all this "career chucker" commentary to be misplaced? Kobes career scoring efficiency is just fine. his efficiency didn't get legitimately questionable until last season.
Kobe has a higher career TS% than Tim Duncan, Hakeem Olajuwon, Wilt Chamberlain, Kevin Garnett, Patrick Ewing, Grant Hill, Bill Walton, Jerry West*, Clyde Drexler, Tony Parker, Walt Frazier, the list goes on.
...the Lakers beat the SuperSonics
Also TS% alone is not a fool proof way to determine offensive efficiency.
Consistency is part of efficiency and Kobe over his career has not been a very consistent offensively in terms of efficiency.
For example in the 2010 playoffs he had a 56-57%TS but he was very inefficient in 2/4 playoff series.
Calling him a chucker is probably inappropriate (except maybe for certain years, series and games) but his shot selection and decision making at times has been suspect or inferior to other players.
Luckily for LA his shot selection and decision making seems to be the bests its ever been this year.
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Kobe's late 00 supporting casts were Top 3 in the league and only really Boston had a comparable overall cast.
Kobe is by far the luckiest player in league history when it comes to career supporting casts and circumstances.
So yeah although he is a great player and usually was not a detriment to his teams winning 5 Rings is not really that impressive given his circumstances.
It is impressive but not as impressive as some Kobe fans make it out to be.
If not for his poor play in the 03 & 04 playoffs he could have won two more titles then he did.
He also underperformed in the 2008 and 2012 playoffs although I don't necessarily think they would have won even if he played better.
Nah, you are a monster Kobe fan, this is obvious. And I really don't like him, that is obvious too.
Thank god you finally said "they" instead of "he". You just may be starting to get the fact that your boy has had more roster support than any player in nearly 2 decades.
He's 5 for 7 in the finals right?Yep, the Kobe chuckfest didn't work out for chips most times.
Of course im a big Kobe fan. He's the best player on my favorite team and i respect the fact that he is an all-time great in this league. Many of you seem to forget. But once he retires you will all see.Nah, you are a monster Kobe fan, this is obvious. And I really don't like him, that is obvious too.
Yea sure. That's what people who hate Kobe say. He never gets credit for making people around him better or his ridiculous will to win. He just was "blessed with the best teams of the past 2 decades". That's hilarious. Nash's Suns were on par, Some of those Mavericks teams were on par, Those spurs teams were on par, the kings were on par... I can go on with teams that were just as good as any lakers team Kobe was on. But fine, lets all discredit an all-time great.Thank god you finally said "they" instead of "he". You just may be starting to get the fact that your boy has had more roster support than any player in nearly 2 decades.
Consistency has nothing to do with efficiency in the basketball world. your averages are your averages. streaks balanced out, mountains plateau. TS% is quite easily the best metric for overall scoring efficiency. but we've already had this debate...
this is the part of the post where I make fun of you for being the Shaq fan who attempts to conveniently sweep TS% under the rug
...the Lakers beat the SuperSonics