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  1. #931
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    victorino signing now seems to be official
    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/1...victorino.html

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    lolllllllll

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    that's a big overpay, even if it's only 3 years. I thought Victorino would get 10 yearly max.

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    I guess the Sox didn't like being bereft of bad contracts?
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    ^ i'd say even 10 is an overpay. oh well. atleast there is not questioning his defence i guess? but his bat and declining speed may be an issue

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    Jeff Passan @JeffPassan
    Total cost of Napoli, Victorino, Papi, Gomes and Ross: $120.2 million already spent by the Red Sox.
    its actually 3/39. how they figure that he should be paid equal to napoli is beyond me.
    Last edited by PeterH; 12-04-2012 at 05:49 PM.

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    Victorino's fangraphs value, prior 3 years:

    15.1M
    26.8M
    14.7M

    Obviously it takes a hit if he doesn't play centerfield, with Ellsbury there, but Ellsbury may only be there for one year, if that. And not sure Victorino's performance will fall off a cliff. It shouldn't be a terrible deal. Likely, it won't be a bad deal. But it isn't a value play.

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    i dont even think victorino was worth 13 million a year 3 or 4 years ago when he was somewhat good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imwrong View Post
    Victorino's fangraphs value, prior 3 years:

    15.1M
    26.8M
    14.7M

    Obviously it takes a hit if he doesn't play centerfield, with Ellsbury there, but Ellsbury may only be there for one year, if that. And not sure Victorino's performance will fall off a cliff. It shouldn't be a terrible deal. Likely, it won't be a bad deal. But it isn't a value play.
    Just a couple of days ago i was looking at this... i don't know why people were fine with the Braves paying upton 15 mills and consider Victorino a 10 max player.. they have very similar WARs

    yeah Upton is younger but he is what he is at this point and isn't gonna get much better

    Not saying that its a good deal for the Sox but i think both this and the Upton deal were awful..

    This deal is bad for the Sox not because of Vic's skill set, but because of where they are gonna plug him in

    props to vick27m

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    If you're a fan of Victorino you have to hope the bat is going to go back to the career averages. He's not exactly young either, and at 33 you have to figure his best days are gone. The power completely disappeared (128 ISO vs 212 last year and 170 the year before) and his production tanked once he was traded to the Dodgers (667 OPS). He was pretty worthless vs RHP last year (629 OPS) but was fantastic vs LHP (906 OPS). Two of the past 3 years he's had an OPS under 700 vs RHP.

    I think that's the bigger issue with the deal. If you believe his D and plus bat vs LHP are good enough to offset the fact that he's worthless against RHP, then it's a solid deal. The age and the decline in his bat is a bit worrisome to me so I'm not a huge fan of the deal.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Twitchy View Post
    If you're a fan of Victorino you have to hope the bat is going to go back to the career averages. He's not exactly young either, and at 33 you have to figure his best days are gone. The power completely disappeared (128 ISO vs 212 last year and 170 the year before) and his production tanked once he was traded to the Dodgers (667 OPS). He was pretty worthless vs RHP last year (629 OPS) but was fantastic vs LHP (906 OPS). Two of the past 3 years he's had an OPS under 700 vs RHP.

    I think that's the bigger issue with the deal. If you believe his D and plus bat vs LHP are good enough to offset the fact that he's worthless against RHP, then it's a solid deal. The age and the decline in his bat is a bit worrisome to me so I'm not a huge fan of the deal.
    I'd like to introduce you to the R.A. Dickey Thread.

    http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/sho...d.php?t=785074

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johann View Post
    I'd like to introduce you to the R.A. Dickey Thread.

    http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/sho...d.php?t=785074
    Dickey's a bit of a different case because knuckleballers are so unique. It wouldn't surprise me if he lasted 1 year or 5. With extreme cases like that, the normal rules don't apply.


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    Seems to me like they are going to try and move Ellsbury for pitching. Victorino is a cheaper replacement in CF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imwrong View Post
    Victorino's fangraphs value, prior 3 years:

    15.1M
    26.8M
    14.7M

    Obviously it takes a hit if he doesn't play centerfield, with Ellsbury there, but Ellsbury may only be there for one year, if that. And not sure Victorino's performance will fall off a cliff. It shouldn't be a terrible deal. Likely, it won't be a bad deal. But it isn't a value play.
    I hate that value system. If that was accurate there would be about 20 guys getting paid 25-30 million a year and about 75 guys worth 15 million a year. Not to mention Trout would be worth about 50 million last year. This is only position players to no pitchers included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heusy_79 View Post
    Seems to me like they are going to try and move Ellsbury for pitching. Victorino is a cheaper replacement in CF.
    Cheaper and not nearly as good*

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