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    Why can't Florida get their **** together?

    Was about to post this article and just saw this tweet:

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    Once Again, Florida's Voting Doesn't Add Up
    by Alan Greenblatt, National Public Radio
    November 8, 2012



    Florida is again having problems determining the winner of its presidential vote. But its difficulties are entirely different from the ones that kept the nation in suspense for more than a month back in 2000.

    "It was just a convergence of things that were an embarrassment to Florida," says Susan MacManus, a political scientist at the University of South Florida in Tampa.

    Some of the snafus stem from changes in election law that were passed last year — but which were the subject of lawsuits until just weeks before the election. "We'd been in court for months," MacManus says.

    From there the problems cascaded down on Florida, with its immense and highly diverse voting population, to the point that some voters didn't cast their ballots until 1 a.m. Polls had officially closed at 7, but those who were in line at the time were allowed to stay and vote.

    The legal fights over early voting in particular made it difficult for local election officials to plan properly for heavy turnout. The number of early voting hours stayed constant at 96, but the number of days on which early voting could be held was reduced to eight.

    Longer voting days meant paying overtime to poll workers, so some counties opened up fewer locations, which resulted in long lines.

    "Souls to the polls" turnout efforts, which involve African-American churches busing parishioners to cast ballots on the Sunday before Election Day, had to be curtailed as early voting was no longer available on that day.

    In response to such changes, Democrats encouraged supporters to take advantage of in-person absentee voting. Voters could show up at election offices as late as Monday to ask for an absentee ballot, which they would fill out on the spot.

    "The Obama team shifted to get people to do in-person absentee ballots, which take a lot longer to process than early voting," says Daniel Smith, a political scientist at the University of Florida. "You have to open and verify and process the ballot, rather than immediately scanning it."

    Absentee ballots have to be certified individually before going into the machines to be tallied, notes NPR's Greg Allen. Miami-Dade County, for instance, had to cope with a late influx of 54,000 absentee ballots, and the county just finished counting votes on Thursday.

    Smith accuses Republicans, who dominate the state's Legislature and hold the governorship, of deliberately making voting more difficult and making it impossible for local officials to conduct elections in a timely and efficient manner.

    "When our voting laws are being used for partisan manipulation, that is unacceptable and un-American," says Deirdre Macnab, president of the League of Women Voters of Florida.

    Republicans deny that they attempted in any way to suppress the vote. Gov. Rick Scott noted that more than 4 million people took advantage of early voting this year.

    "We had a huge early turnout," Will Weatherford, the incoming Republican House speaker, told the Tampa Bay Times. "We have made voting as easy as it's ever been in the state of Florida."

    There were other factors that contributed to the long lines and consequent slow count. For one thing, Florida had an exceptionally long ballot, with 11 complicated constitutional amendments. One question was 700 words long. And in some voter precincts, the ballots had to be presented in multiple languages.

    Flipping through 10 or 12 pages made navigating the ballot more time consuming for voters. But first they had to find the correct place to vote; that was difficult for some.

    Redistricting and changes in polling locations meant many voters showed up at the wrong place. Thanks to last year's election law changes, some had to cast provisional ballots if they had moved to a new county, which had not previously been the case.

    Given the state's large and highly mobile population, it was difficult for election officials in some locations to plan properly to provide adequate polling places or voting machines.

    "The housing bust hurt Florida badly," says David Kimball, an expert on elections at the University of Missouri, St. Louis. "There are places in Florida that were booming that have half the population they did four years ago. That makes it difficult for election officials to plan."

    For all that, Kimball says, Florida's voting problems might not be notably worse than those in other states. That was the case, despite Florida's notoriety, 12 years ago. Election officials in other states back then noted happily that the focus on Florida diverted attention from their own problems.

    "In many other states, if we took a close look at their system and put it under stress with a highly competitive presidential election, they would look as bad," Kimball says.

    Following the 2000 recount, Florida, like other states, made numerous changes to its election law and procedures. Poor ballot layout and antiquated voting machines that brought the phrase "hanging chad" into the national lexicon are no longer factors.

    But the influx of federal funds that helped resolve many voting issues around the country may not be repeated, despite President Obama's call during his victory speech to "fix" the latest set of problems.

    State and local governments, which have made underfunding election mechanisms a tradition, have left them more strapped than usual, due to their ongoing budget problems.

    Concerns about voting problems tend to go into hibernation for two to four years. "There are natural constituencies that defend teacher pensions and health care, but there's no natural constituency for democracy," says Kimball, of the University of Missouri, St. Louis.

    Even if money is found, there's no off-the-shelf solution that would make voting and counting run smoother — and has universal support.

    A decade ago, Florida and other states were able to enact election changes on a bipartisan basis.

    That dynamic no longer holds — certainly not in Florida, where Republicans have pushed changes through firm control of Tallahassee, and Democrats have turned to the courts to challenge their every move.

    "Each side is suspicious of the other," says MacManus, the University of South Florida professor. "The battles are all partisan-oriented."
    http://minnesota.publicradio.org/fea...p?id=164693601

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    romney conceded FLA I think... But yah. Thank god FLA was not an important state, or else we would not know who won the election yet

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    Why does it even matter at this point since Florida wasn't even necessary to win the election.

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    The only thing I'm worried about with this state is the waiting lines to vote. **** needs to be fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelcityroller View Post
    Why does it even matter at this point since Florida wasn't even necessary to win the election.
    It matters for the legitimacy of the votes and integrity of the state for its citizens.

    Its true though that it was less important in electoral votes than we thought, but really so was Ohio. The "tipping point" ended up being Colorado.

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    Wasn't Ohio called before Colorado, leading to the Obama victory?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckwheat View Post
    Wasn't Ohio called before Colorado, leading to the Obama victory?
    Not necessarily about the order they were called, its about the value of each state's electoral votes (meaning he could have won without Ohio or Florida):

    Per Nate Silver of course:

    Now that the actual returns are in, we don’t need the simulations or the forecast model. It turned out, in fact, that although the FiveThirtyEight model had a very strong night over all on Tuesday, it was wrong about the identity of the tipping-point state. Based on the polls, it appeared that Ohio was the state most likely to win Mr. Obama his 270th electoral vote. Instead, it was Colorado that provided him with his win – the same state that did so in 2008.

    The worry for Republicans is that Mr. Obama won Colorado by nearly five percentage points (4.7 points was his margin there, to the decimal place). In contrast, Mr. Obama’s margin in the national popular vote, as of this writing, is 2.4 percentage points. We estimate that it will grow to 2.5 percentage points once some remaining returns from states like Washington are accounted for, or perhaps slightly higher once provisional ballots in other states are counted. But it seems clear that Mr. Obama had some margin to spare in the Electoral College.

    Had the popular vote been a tie – assuming that the margin in each state shifted uniformly – he would still have won re-election with 285 electoral votes, carrying Colorado and Virginia, although losing Florida and Ohio.

    In fact, had Mr. Romney won the popular vote by two percentage points, Mr. Obama would still have won the Electoral College, losing Virginia but holding onto Colorado.
    http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes...-disadvantage/

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    Probably because they don't want to get their **** together. Last time Bush was helping Bush out and this time alien-man was trying to help out Romney.
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    because we are mentally ********, stubborn a-holes who refuse to learn from our continuous mistakes
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    I blame BroadwayJoe....and the Jews of course

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    Their repub governors like to try and make it impossible to get minorities to the polls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Schmooze View Post
    I blame BroadwayJoe....and the Jews of course
    I think you're on to something.....with the first half anyway. Too many high ballot counters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Schmooze View Post
    I blame BroadwayJoe....and the Jews of course
    Quote Originally Posted by GGGGG-Men View Post
    I think you're on to something.....with the first half anyway. Too many high ballot counters.
    mostly yes
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    Quote Originally Posted by GGGGG-Men View Post
    Was about to post this article and just saw this tweet:





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    What is this, the NBA forum? I usually don't find anything negative to say about you GGGGG-Men, and most certainly appreciate most of your posts, but is cussing really necessary or appropriate for the thread title?


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