Lennon- High Probablility Niese Gets Dealt

[Sick Of It All]

Stubbs only hit 20 once and he did that laying in a pretty hitting friendly park. His value is essentially the same as Torres was, but yes he will hit more homers.

[MetsJets0809]

Agreed. Idk what they'd trade Dickey for to be honest. It's a tough call cause I'm not really sure we'd get fair value.

[NY_Heartbreak]

Well they wouldn't be very good this season but going forward it has a chance to be very good.

[MetsJets0809]

I agree. The problem with trading Dickey is that I doubt we'd get fair value back because of his age

[MetsJets0809]

Sorry double post

[DUMETROPOLITANS]

What if arredondo was included plus one of their top pitching prospects like Robert Stephenson or Tony Cingrani, we'll throw in Ramirez for a change of scenery guy for them.

[YoungStuna28]

Dickey for Billy Hamilton and Homer Bailey. That I would do.

[DUMETROPOLITANS]

Dickey for Billy Hamilton and Homer Bailey. That I would do.

Billy Hamilton is their star player, won't happen

[DUMETROPOLITANS]

Billy Hamilton is their star player, won't happen

Should say prospect

[DUMETROPOLITANS]

Should say prospect

Furthermore the idea of looking at Homer Bailey's odd face every fifth day spooks me a bit.

[MetsJets0809]

Dickey for Billy Hamilton and Homer Bailey. That I would do.

Yeah I might do that too. Hamilton seems to have legendary speed on the base basepaths
And Bailey is improving little by little, to the point where he may be a good #2 or 3

[fanofclendennon]

Yes but the cumulative results Niese will give us at 25 will probably be better going forward than a 38 year old Dickey.

Under normal circumstances, i don't advocate dealing either but if the market is hot on pitching then Dickey is at his highest value coming off a Cy Young caliber season.

Niese is one of the cornerstone pieces moving forward, whereas i don't see Dickey being nearly as valuable 3 years down the road. I think Niese took steps towards being a number 2 starter last year and will continue that trend next year.

His overall numbers were very good, i think sometimes he doesn't get the credit he deserves.

Again, I must disagree, courteously.

A 38-year-old knuckleballer is the equivalent of a 30-year-old in normal pitcher years.

At least.

Dickey has as many as 5 solid prime years left. To your point, Niese might have more but he doesn't have anywhere near the upside Dickey has. Dickey is ace material. Niese is a good middle-of-the-rotation.

Point is, Niese is not nor will he ever be the ace that Dickey is now and will be for maybe as many as the next 5 seasons.

As much as I like Jonathan Niese, I'm not ready to depend on him nearly as much as I would Robert Allen.

[MetsFanatic19]

Hamilton has blazing speed, obviously, but I'm not sure if he'd ever be a good major league hitter. He did have an impmressive average in A+ ball in 2012 and hit a little lower in AA, but still pretty good, but again, I don't know if he can ever be a good hitting leadoff guy. The dude will make it just because of his speed though.

[YoungStuna28]

Again, I must disagree, courteously.

A 38-year-old knuckleballer is the equivalent of a 30-year-old in normal pitcher years.

At least.

Dickey has as many as 5 solid prime years left. To your point, Niese might have more but he doesn't have anywhere near the upside Dickey has. Dickey is ace material. Niese is a good middle-of-the-rotation.

Point is, Niese is not nor will he ever be the ace that Dickey is now and will be for maybe as many as the next 5 seasons.

As much as I like Jonathan Niese, I'm not ready to depend on him nearly as much as I would Robert Allen.

You can't possibly know that. Dickey will be the same at 42 as he was at 37? I think not.

Never say never about Niese. He continues to decrease his walk rate by the season and he is improving.

[MetsLegacy]

You can't possibly know that. Dickey will be the same at 42 as he was at 37? I think not.

Never say never about Niese. He continues to decrease his walk rate by the season and he is improving.

I don't think he'll be the same at age 38 as he was at age 37, if only because he is probably the front runner to capture the Cy Young award and the Knuckler is so enigmatic that it's hard to project the following year being anything close.

That said, I think it wouldn't be realistic to see him post a trend of something like this over the next few years. Speaking from an ERA standpoint.

2013: 3.30
2014: 3.60
2015: 3.80-3.90
2016: 4.1
2017: 4.3

Maybe it won't be that dramatic, or maybe he'll continue to excel, but he has gotten better with each passing year he has been in Flushing. I see no reason to believe that he's just going to dramatically drop off initially.