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Working in reverse order
Taxes...To take your statement about money, always best left in the hands of the Private Sector, then accepting your words as written, it would be better to have nothing but private militias, private police forces, private courts etc. Always means always, unless, you would like to modify that statement.
Education... Again you obviously feel that public education is wrong, so, in your world as you are describing it, the poor will be a permanent underclass.If you are struggling to pay the rent, buy food, there would be no money for education. Children could go work in the workhouses.
Energy...The market did not determine that fossil fuels were the best form of energy. Oil depletion allowances promoted oil. Roads to transport the oil, paid for by the tax payers paid for oil. Etc. Now, with the same kind of encouragement for other fuels, in a similar position, the scream of market is without historical perspective.
Economy... A truly free market, without regulation, has never functioned. Teddy Roosevelt was the trust buster. Oligarchies are the tendency in lands without rules. Insider trading makes the markets perform without trust. Rivers literally burn because of pollution (cuyhoga river fire). People die because of lack of safety standards (not just coal mines, look up The Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire) (look up Foxcon in China). You can have your regulation free world, I like not having rivers on fire, air I can breathe, safe working conditions, transparency in markets, etc.
Welfare...When the time comes, that every man and woman starts with the same opportunity, which they don't (Warren Buffet calls it winning the womb lottery) then you might have a case. But they don't so you don't.
Abortion... It is not a state question when to limit it limits an individuals rights of control of their own personhood. This is where that whole question comes from. Once again, we live in a Republic, not a confederation of states.
Here is the question of the day, does anyone think that wealthy people should pay a lower percentage of their income to taxes than middle class people? Don't argue tax brackets, just a simple question. Do you think someone earning 46 million dollars should pay a lower percentage of their income than say someone earning sixty thousand?
I agree with you on all of this except that I don't think we need more nuclear missiles (although you might have been joking on that) nor do I think that we should continue to interfere in other country's affairs. You brought up the issue of genocide, but for the most part, the only times we've aided in preventing a genocide was when it was somehow in the US's best interests. When we interfere, we automatically turn one party against us (ie Palestine) and it's a waste of our money and resources. However, I do believe that the United Nations needs to step up and take a more powerful role in aiding and condemning those it sees fit.
The traditional American philosophy teaches that government must be limited in power if Individual Liberty is to be safeguarded, if each Individual's God-given, unalienable rights are to be made and kept enduringly secure.
The main purpose of the government is to Protect the nation from foreign threats.
Every state should have it's own laws that appeal to it's citizens. Then if you do not like the laws in that state, you either elect new representatives to change those laws, or you move to another state.
You're taking what I sad out of context, lib.
It should be developed by private enterprise,not the corrupt government who has used our tax dollars for investment and then the companies belly up and we lose millions of dollars that could have been used for other needs.When new products or services are developed the private sector money is used. If it fails,the tax payer is not on the hook for losing money,just the private investors.Beside, private enterprises have and always will be more successful than government controlled enterprises. SS,Medicare and Fema are examples of failed government control programs..
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Wade will be a lot better next season now that he got knee surgery. Hate on. - 7/31/2012
The experiment of limited government on the level you are thinking of. The Articles of the Confederation were that experiment and failed miserably.
This country is predicated on a social contract between individuals, their state, and the federal government. It has always been this way starting from the founding.
We have a federalist system that builds on a compact between the people and the states as well as the states and the federal government and by the transitive property, the people and the federal government.
I still don't know where this notion that we are all on the frontier comes from in our society.
Think long and hard about why you respond to nonsense. Please!
Sure, you're right. This isn't a confederation, though. Abortion should be a countrywide issue and you know it.
That would be the military..The main purpose of the government is to Protect the nation from foreign threats.
Again, this isn't a confederation. We've seen how well these ideas have worked out in the past..Every state should have it's own laws that appeal to it's citizens. Then if you do not like the laws in that state, you either elect new representatives to change those laws, or you move to another state.
No, I really wasn't. Oh well, though; you're right I guess. I'm just a stupid lib.You're taking what I sad out of context, lib.
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The Right to Privacy is implied in the Fourth Amendment which is what Roe v. Wade was ruled under. Therefore, the federal government does have the authority to stop states from interfering in a woman's right to choose.
Equating welfare to theft is simply stupid. I'm not even going to bother with this.Welfare..........This is equivalent to theft. In order for one person to get something from Government, it must be stolen from someone else under the threat of force. Force is Not Freedom. No one has the right to initiate force upon someone else ( including Government ) in a Free Society.
I am equally opposed to Corporate welfare. Again this is Government taking our money under the threat of force to give to Private Businesses.
We have never in our history been a free market system. We have always had a mixed economy and it is still that to this day. Although socialism is considered somewhat of a taboo term, there are bits of socialism that are good for societies just as there are bits of free-market systems that are bad. That's why mixed economy's try to get the good in both.Economy.......We as a Nation need to get back to a truly Free Market. Government intervention into the Market in so many ways has destroyed the economy. Lobbyists buy Congress to create regulations helping Big Business and keeping out Competition from other. Not to mention all the Millions upon Millions of regulations that make it impossible for smaller companies to flourish....Way to many hoops to jump through to get anything done. Taxes must also be cut drastically. Government must also be cut to offset this.
If the Government would get out of the way the Free Market would Thrive!.........The Federal Reserve Inflating the Currency is also a Major problem for the economy. The market must also set the Interest rates......Not private bankers.
Without government intervention in General Motors, the entire auto industry (meaning other companies that supply goods to GM) would collapse in the US and GM would have likely been bought out by foreign investors. Those foreign investors, we'll say they're from China, would then move all of GM's factories to China where they can pay lower wages and likely get increased production. This would have caused the US unemployment rate to soar and likely would have caused at least another recession likely worse than the one in 2008.
You also talked about government regulations and how, you believe, they hurt small business owners. I honestly don't know where your view is coming from since it does just the opposite. Regulations prevent monopolization, promote perfect competition, and allow firms the freedom of entry and exit. The view that they somehow hurt small businesses is simply ridiculous.
I could give less of a **** about how the market feels about fossil fuels. They're terrible for the environment and for humans in general. There was recently a study done on pollution in cities such as New York and Los Angeles, and scientists found that, when looking at the lungs of a person who had been smoking for twenty years and the lungs of a person who had been simply living in a large city for ten years, there was hardly any difference between the two. That's ridiculous. And do you know what cancer type has the highest mortality rate among men and women in the US? Lung cancer. The mere fact that we're killing ourselves slowly should be enough to endorse investing in alternative energy sources. It's not wasted money, it's a damn good investment.Energy........The Market has determined that Fossil Fuels are the most efficient way to power our daily lives for now. If alternative energy sources were a good idea the Private Businesses would have already invested. When the Government gives our money to these companies , subsidizing alternative energy it is just money down the rat hole.
Being a college student, I trust the federal government with my education more than my nearly bankrupt state. And I'd like to see your evidence supporting that test score have remained flat.Education......The Federal Government has no business or authority to be involved in Educating the Citizens children. Like any other Goods or Services the Free Market does it best through competition. Cell phones and TV's quality has gone way up over the years and the Cost has come way down. That's due to Competition.
A Government monopoly like education , the Quality ( test scores ) remain flat or have gone down and the cost is through the Roof! It should at least be left to the States to deal with. The more local the choices are the better.
Income tax is the chief tax that allows the government to provide services to its citizens. I would bet my left nut that you've in some way benefited from there being an income tax. And I trust the government with my money more than I do individuals in the private sector. See AIG as a reference.Taxes......The money is always best left in the hands of the Private Sector, and not in the hands of the Government. Government needs to be cut back to it's Constitutional Mandate and taxes need to go away. Get rid of the IRS and the Income tax. There is no need for an income tax. In fact there wasn't one until 1913....The same year the Federal Reserve came to be.....
Yep, it's been determined. This is going to be my nightmare tonight.I'll take this country back.![]()
Why do you insist upon doing this? When you address people with disrespect it actually hurts your argument. You started a thread about compromise but you treat half the country with disdain. Why should I take anything you say seriously when it is clear you disrespect me? What to know what it will take for compromise? People who refuse to be dicks to one another would be a good ****ing start.
Originally Posted by MrPoon
Hey Nate i agree with most of what you said
Abortion I agree
Welfare I agree with everything you said. That said i do think that the way people look at welfare these days is problematic. My father was a liberal union leader however i'm sure he would be ashamed if he had to go on the "dole". Getting a handout doesn't seem to hit peoples pride as much these days
Econ Lets do it
Energy I think you know more then me and your points make sense to me
Education I strongly disagree. I don't think our kids should have to learn about evolution at all if they choose a different track and apply themselves. I think our schools need to be less standardized and provide more choices to students. I think they need more links with the local communities and employers. I think federal intervention creates a climate that makes what should happen harder to achieve.
Homeland security I don't invite myself into other peoples homes. We should start there. Overall i don't have an ideology though
Heath care everyone should be able to get care. I don't know what the best way to do that is
Nukes my guess is we have enough missiles. i'm not against power
Stems Never understood why this was a issue. Do research and try to cure cancer
Taxes Bring them down. I not saying stop helping people but cut spending and bring them down. Stop building bases, putting cameras on every corner and light, dressing suburban cops up like Freddy the Dare dog to scare little Johnny. I look at my check and my surroundings and the conclusion i draw is the gov't is doing too many things and i'm paying for it
Environment really all for it.
Foreign relations I agree but after we stop the genocide will have no responsibility to help build a gov't. Once its not genocide let them fight it out
Gay Marriage So long as there is an open bar
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My party is the Pants Party.
I will also do the opposite of what Longhorn said to do.
So glad i'm not american, your politics are so messy.
The only points that concern me are social issues.. Abortion, Gay Marriage, oh and legalizing Marijuana.
Abortion
Allow Abortion. Allow stem cell. Under 18 abortion is a bit more tricky. No goverment payment for abortion.
Welfare
We need to limit welfare. Certainly we should help those who really need help. But college kids shouldn't get food stamps and such.
Economy
We need to make this country into the place where people want to do business here. You do that by heavy penalties on jobs overseas, and big tax breaks on jobs in this country. Get rid of the federal reserve as well.
Energy
The hope is that solar power will be efficient enough soon. I know we're not there yet but lets hope we do get there. The idea is we really need to push something that has much more long term sustainability then oil. Tidal power, while not helping everyone, is interesting as well.
Education
We dont need the federal government giving out orders for funding. No child left behind? How about no child allowed foward. Let the states do what they want. What that will do is create 50 different ideas on how to educate. States then can decide what works and what doesn't. The fed doesn't allow for that type of progress.
Homeland Security
Get out of all these other countries. A lot of empires fall when troops are stretched too thin. There is room for a CIA, but I dont agree with the way ours works. Long story short: Gather intel, don't occupy other countries and follow the golden rule "treat other how you want to be treated" Can you guys imagine how we'd react if other countries did to us as we do to them? Its absurd. We need to cut the military severely as well. You know where soem of the most dangerous places on earth are? In Mexico. We need more protection on the border.
Healthcare
I personally dont believe anyone has a right to anyone elses services. Thats not the way a free society works. We need to find a way to reduce health costs. Then let the free market handle it from there.
Stem Cell Research
Absolutely.
Taxes
in an ideal word, I'd like to see a small flat tax rate. Everyone pays the same percentage. Close loopholes to these rich bastards who find a way to dodge paying it.
Environment
Lets face it guys, a better environment is better for everyone. We should all, as individuals, do day to day things that improve the environment. Global warming is here, and scientist agree. A global effort is needed to thrawt this type of problem. Its tricky though. What if the chinese refuse to meed environmental standards? Do we attack them? I just dont have all the answers here. What I do know is a lot of human habits are very much unsustainable. We, as the human race, need to look into some of these issues.
War/Foreign Relations
Hands off. We need not to be in EVERYONES business. We cant afford it, and as a general rule its just kind of annoying. Cut all foreign aid. Be an example to these countries.
Political Corruption
It will never happen, but every individual should be an independent. No parties just people. Wouldn't that be great?
What do you even mean by this? If everyone pays a little bit then when you get seriously sick and can't afford the expensive treatments it doesn't matter because you have been contributing. Healthcare can't just be FREE, the money has to come from somewhere.Healthcare
I personally dont believe anyone has a right to anyone elses services. Thats not the way a free society works. We need to find a way to reduce health costs. Then let the free market handle it from there.
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