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    Mets not looking to spend at GM Meetings, but open to trades, maybe Upton

    Mets not looking to spend at GM Meetings, but open to trades

    The Mets might want to enlist Monty Hall’s services over these next three days for the desert version of “Let’s Make a Deal.”

    Though Sandy Alderson is unlikely to leave these General Managers Meetings — which begin today and run through Friday — with new players, the Mets GM will almost certainly have a better feel for the trade market in what could be an active winter for his club.

    The Mets, with an eye on keeping the payroll around $100 million for next season, will not be major players in free agency, but that won’t prevent them from trying to get creative in trades.

    Top pitching prospects Matt Harvey and Zack Wheeler are the untouchables when discussing trades with the Mets, a club source confirmed yesterday. Otherwise, anybody in the organization is available.

    For now, at least, David Wright and R.A. Dickey belong to the list of attainable players, as both remain unsigned beyond 2013.

    In the absence of contract extensions, both players could be traded this winter. A baseball official yesterday predicted Alderson will listen to trade proposals for Wright and Dickey at these meetings, while making it known he is still trying to sign both players. As of yesterday there were no indications the Mets were close to completing a new contract with either.

    With the Mets in dire need of outfield help, Alderson is expected to ask about Arizona’s Justin Upton, who is on the trade block. Any discussions would likely begin with Diamondbacks GM Kevin Towers asking for a return package that includes Jon Niese.

    The 26-year-old Niese is probably the Mets’ most valuable trade chip — excluding Wright — after a season in which the lefty went 13-9 with a 3.40 ERA. He also could be deemed a bargain, having signed a five-year deal worth $25.3 million before last season.

    Alderson might also check the asking price for Boston’s Jacoby Ellsbury and Washington’s Michael Morse, among others.

    Trading Ike Davis could bring a sizable return, but the organization is also hesitant to deal a player who hit 32 home runs last season in a lineup starved for power. But the Mets also view Lucas Duda as somebody who could potentially become Davis next season, despite the fact Duda slumped badly last summer and was demoted to Triple-A Buffalo before returning in late August.

    Duda underwent surgery yesterday in Manhattan to repair a fracture in his right wrist which he suffered moving furniture at his apartment in California last month. The Mets expect him to be ready for spring training in February.

    The Mets could also go the trade route for a catcher, as the team seeks either a starter or, at minimum, a right-handed bat to pair with Josh Thole. White Sox backup Tyler Flowers is of some interest to the Mets, according to a source. But the White Sox also might not be in a hurry to deal a catcher with last year’s starter, A.J. Pierzynski, on the free-agent market.

    The 26-year-old Flowers hit .213 with seven homers and 13 RBIs in 136 at-bats last season for the White Sox.

    More subtly, Alderson also might see if there’s any outside interest in disappointing Jason Bay, who is still owed $19 million. If the Angels are willing to eat a sizable chunk of the $42 million Vernon Wells still has coming, maybe the Mets can find a dance partner.
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    Not getting Upton, it makes no sense for us. He makes too much money and will cost us a valuable pitcher in Niese and more to get him. If we want him so bad, lets get him when he becomes a FA in 3 years or so when he's in his prime.

    Like I said in the other thread, I would love to get Tyler Flowers, a fresh start and full starting opportunity here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna28 View Post
    Not getting Upton, it makes no sense for us. He makes too much money and will cost us a valuable pitcher in Niese and more to get him. If we want him so bad, lets get him when he becomes a FA in 3 years or so when he's in his prime.

    Like I said in the other thread, I would love to get Tyler Flowers, a fresh start and full starting opportunity here.
    I'd swap Niese for Upton in a millisecond, but it depends on what else the D-Backs want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymfan87 View Post
    I'd swap Niese for Upton in a millisecond, but it depends on what else the D-Backs want.
    Upton is only control for 3 more years while Niese is under control for about 6 more years. It will cost more than just Niese too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna28 View Post
    Upton is only control for 3 more years while Niese is under control for about 6 more years. It will cost more than just Niese too.
    I think Niese is overrated. Struggles on regular rest and struggles with the big inning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymfan87 View Post
    I think Niese is overrated. Struggles on regular rest and struggles with the big inning.
    I don't think he's overrated, I think he's a cheap, under control #3 starter.

    He did just fine on regular rest in the first half, and had no problems with the big inning at all.

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    I'm starting to think there is very little chance Wright and Dickey will be Mets next year. I just hope they can get the best return possible.

    Please just eat bays contract or deal with him over the next year. No Vernon Wells.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rio40 View Post
    I'm starting to think there is very little chance Wright and Dickey will be Mets next year. I just hope they can get the best return possible.

    Please just eat bays contract or deal with him over the next year. No Vernon Wells.
    I can honestly say they won't get great return for them because just about every GM out there knows the Mets financial struggles and know that they can't and won't resign Wright especially to a deal to his liking. And Dickey will want a considerable raise for at least three years which you and I both know they won't offer. The Mets don't have a good poker face and everyone knows it. Why give up prospects for a possible rental when you know you will have a shot next offseason to try and sign them as free agents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SILVER SEAVER View Post
    I can honestly say they won't get great return for them because just about every GM out there knows the Mets financial struggles and know that they can't and won't resign Wright especially to a deal to his liking. And Dickey will want a considerable raise for at least three years which you and I both know they won't offer. The Mets don't have a good poker face and everyone knows it. Why give up prospects for a possible rental when you know you will have a shot next offseason to try and sign them as free agents.
    Your perspective does not take into account:

    What a team receives for a player is mostly dependent on the other team's degree of desire to obtain that player, and how many teams are pursuing the same player. If five teams are trying to acquire a player, naturally, the price becomes competitive and rises.

    Sandy Alderson is well seasoned. People were surprised he extracted Wheeler from San Francisco when everyone knew Beltran was going to be dealt. How did he do that without a poker face? 1. The Giants apparently wanted Beltran badly. 2. There may have been competition from Atlanta or another team. 3. Alderson is experienced.
    "The 90 wins is about challenge. It's about changing the conversation. It's about framing questions for ourselves as to how we get there. So I stand by the notion that we need to get better, and in doing so we need to set concrete goals for ourselves so that we have sort of specific conversations among ourselves about how we're going to get there." -- Mr. Alderson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dugmet View Post
    Your perspective does not take into account:

    What a team receives for a player is mostly dependent on the other team's degree of desire to obtain that player, and how many teams are pursuing the same player. If five teams are trying to acquire a player, naturally, the price becomes competitive and rises.

    Sandy Alderson is well seasoned. People were surprised he extracted Wheeler from San Francisco when everyone knew Beltran was going to be dealt. How did he do that without a poker face? 1. The Giants apparently wanted Beltran badly. 2. There may have been competition from Atlanta or another team. 3. Alderson is experienced.
    The Giants were desperate for a bat and were rich in starting pitching at the same time. Not many franchises can make that claim. Alderson won't pull off another one of those miracles. Giants fans out here were scratching their heads for months and into this season after that deal. If they resigned Beltran and he did for the Giants what he did for the Cardinals this season then it was a good deal for both teams but the Mets have a possible future ace and Beltran walked and didn't even help get them in the playoffs. Win for the Mets, can't say that very often but Iam sure it wasn't because Sandy pulled some Jedi mind trick to get them to part with Wheeler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SILVER SEAVER View Post
    The Giants were desperate for a bat and were rich in starting pitching at the same time. Not many franchises can make that claim. Alderson won't pull off another one of those miracles. Giants fans out here were scratching their heads for months and into this season after that deal. If they resigned Beltran and he did for the Giants what he did for the Cardinals this season then it was a good deal for both teams but the Mets have a possible future ace and Beltran walked and didn't even help get them in the playoffs. Win for the Mets, can't say that very often but Iam sure it wasn't because Sandy pulled some Jedi mind trick to get them to part with Wheeler.

    The SFG were so close and they proved that this year - they took a big gamble, but one that could have paid off - it wasn't a dumb trade on their part it was just a lot to give up. SA did well, but that was a one-off trade where the seller made out like a bandit.

    Apart from this deal SA has done nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SILVER SEAVER View Post
    I can honestly say they won't get great return for them because just about every GM out there knows the Mets financial struggles and know that they can't and won't resign Wright especially to a deal to his liking. And Dickey will want a considerable raise for at least three years which you and I both know they won't offer. The Mets don't have a good poker face and everyone knows it. Why give up prospects for a possible rental when you know you will have a shot next offseason to try and sign them as free agents.
    You do realize that both Dickey and Wright could get compensation from the team acquiring them. That makes both players far more attractive than acquiring Carlos Beltran where San Fran received nothing in form of compensation.


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    I like Upton, but I don't know how I feel about losing Niese for him. Niese is certainly the better bargain moving forward.

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    Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1
    Sorry #Mets fans. Word u hear at GM Meetings is club still sayinghardly has any $$$ to spend beyond trying to retain Wright, maybe Dickey
    Last edited by Claymation; 11-07-2012 at 01:22 PM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by clayamtion View Post
    Joel Sherman ‏@Joelsherman1
    Sorry #Mets fans. Word u hear at GM Meetings is club still sayinghardly has any $$$ to spend beyond trying to retain Wright, maybe Dickey
    If Niese is the one to go Upton will only cost us 6 million.

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