The election if it had a swinging point was romney attacking perry for being compassionate to the illegals in his state. With that he relinquished millions of latino votes... which is where the GOP needs to go if they want to win with their social right agenda.
Originally Posted by MrPoon
i hope rubio runs for president in 2016, hel get alot of the minority votes and hes not an extreme conservative republican, hel make a great canditate
Last edited by flips333; 11-07-2012 at 08:37 AM.
Originally Posted by MrPoon
I agree with most here. The Republicans will be held back by backwards social issues. I believe Ron Paul would have won this election had he been the candidate. If the Republicans want to move foward as a party they will have to evolve really.
-wants to get rid of property taxes
-Lose the dept. of education and make the state responsible for education
-end the war on drugs and allow the state to regulate drug enforcement
-get rid of the patriot act
-leave Iraq/Afghanistan as well as every other base around the globe
This is just the tip of the iceberg. The man has consistently voted the same over the years and his track record is pretty impressive. I wish we had a Ron Paul up here and I'd never vote for the Conservatives.
First I am going to admit to not having read this thread so if I repeat things already said you know why.
First I disagree that the GOP is dead because of this one election. We are pretty much right where we started out on Monday with the President/Senate under D control and House under R. So in that regard it looks like to me the country voted for status quo. Granted the districts all just got redrawn with a majority of state legislatures being Republican. That in of itself is going to keep the GOP in charge of the House for the foreseeable future.
Obama was very vulnerable to losing with a still very weak economy the problem for the GOP is they ran a HORRIBLE group for President. When you start the conversation of nominees with Michelle Bachman, Rick Santorum, Rick Perry you're not going to get very far. They needed to do a much better job of getting a more qualified candidates to run for office. I am a HUGE Mitch Daniels fan and think he would have handily beaten Obama last night.
Second I agree with the few posts I have read that the GOP has a huge issue with their social issues. They are the ones who allowed women's rights to become an issue. If it hadn't been for Santorum and his statement about outlawing contraception (or whatever it was) you would have never heard of Sandra Fluke. If the two idiots from MO and IN hadn't made moronic statements about rape/pregnancy there would be two more R Senators. The GOP candidates need to learn to shut their mouth and whether they believe it or not never say stupid things like that. They just need to realize they aren't going to do away with abortion and need to drop it from the platform. If that pisses off the social conservatives so be it they aren't winning with them anyway.
And lastly they need to embrace a constructive path to citizenship. As long as they are seen as anti brown immigrant they are going to be kept out of power. That means they need to run out of town much of the establishment old white men. Karl Rove simply needs to go away.
So I think its premature to right their death certificate. Though certainly hope this wakes the powers that be up to realize they need to desperately change things on social issues and get out of the 50's mindset.
French writer Alexis de Tocqueville warned about when visiting this fledgling democracy in the early 19th century – that this "American republic will endure until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money."
Bottom line, they focus way too much on wedge issues now, and have lost what their party used to be about.
The parties change every couple decades anyway, so the GOP certainly isn't dead.
"The idea that the market will solve such things as environmental concerns, as our racial divides, as our class distinctions, our problems with educating and incorporating one generation of workers into the economy after the other when that economy is changing; the idea that the market is going to heed all of the human concerns and still maximise profit is juvenile. . . Are we all in this together or are we all not?" - David Simon, creator of The Wire
FWIW, I agree with much of what you say here. What chance do you think that any of it actually happens? How do you get the social conservatives to stop running the train without chasing them off to a third party?
The thing I disagree with you about is the Romney campaign. Given the social issues/immigration, it seemed Romney did a real nice job of attracting moderates and undecideds. I don't see a true conservative doing any better next time around.
Last edited by IndyFan; 11-07-2012 at 10:11 AM.
2 elderly people die over the next 3 years.
3 the contraceptive issue will be over by then. To much time will have passed for it to be an issue. Rowe V Wade will still be an issue just like it'll be most likely an issue in 50 years with neither side relenting and nothing changing. I wish we would just drop it