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    Quote Originally Posted by fishedz View Post
    Top ten?!! Bwahahahahahahahaha


    Serious dude.... Please start a poll in the NFL forum with this and watch the world laugh at you


    Top ten all time... Lololololololololololol
    Hahaha forreal it's humorous. Worse views than the ****** analysis on ESPN lol

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    Haha I am sorry I just had to see this. Stephkyle7 seems like you bring your outlandish comments to even football.

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    I can't wait to read your book of a response.

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    really has nothing to do with "views" it is numbers, simple numbers.
    Now what you kids want to do is rationalize why the numbers are wrong.

    why for whatever reason, he is undeserving of being where he factually is based on his production.
    the problem with that is , then EVERYBODYS numbers must also be questioned.
    How many probowl recievers did they play wityh, how many top 10 defenses,
    Injuries to other teams when they played, strengths of schedule,strengths of conferences, strength of divisions.
    See you really cant go down that road because its all subjective.

    The only standard of comparison is hard cold numbers.

    Now just as little math lesson for you scholars, average yards per game is once again the most important stat when determining a QBs standing historically because injuries or early retirements and other things effect wether or not they make it to the top 10, so here is the all time career average per games list.

    1. Matthew Stafford (23) 282.0 2009-2012 det
    2. Drew Brees (32) 268.1 2001-2012 2TM
    3. Peyton Manning (35) 265.3 1998-2012 2TM
    4. Kurt Warner 258.8 1998-2009 3TM
    5. Dan Marino+ 253.6 1983-1999 mia
    6. Aaron Rodgers (28) 252.0 2005-2012 gnb
    7. Tom Brady (34) 251.8 2000-2012 nwe
    8. CARSON PALMER(32) 243.8 2004-2012 2TM WHAT THE F...???? IM TRIPPIN BALLS!!!!!
    9. Philip Rivers (30) 243.0 2004-2012 sdg
    10. Matt Ryan (26) 242.3 2008-2012 atl
    11. Brett Favre 237.9 1991-2010 4TM
    12. Dan Fouts+ 237.8 1973-1987 sdg
    13. Marc Bulger 237.6 2002-2009 ram
    14. Trent Green 237.3 1997-2008 4TM
    15. Warren Moon+ 237.1 1984-2000 4TM
    16. Ben Roethlisberger (29) 235.1 2004-2012 pit
    17. Eli Manning (30) 231.4 2004-2012 nyg
    18. Jay Cutler (28) 230.9 2006-2012 2TM
    19. Daunte Culpepper 230.0 1999-2009 4TM
    Drew Bledsoe 230.0 1993-2006 3TM
    21. Josh Freeman (23) 223.9 2009-2012 tam
    22. Donovan McNabb (35) 223.2 1999-2011 3TM
    23. Jim Kelly+ 221.7 1986-1996 buf
    24. Joe Flacco (26) 221.2 2008-2012 rav
    25. Jim Everett 220.5 1986-1997 3TM
    26. John Elway+ 220.0 1983-1998 den
    27. Sam Bradford (24) 219.3 2010-2012 ram
    28. Aaron Brooks 217.9 2000-2006 2TM
    29. Joe Montana+ 211.2 1979-1994 2TM
    30. Jon Kitna (39) 211.0 1997-2011 4TM
    31. Neil Lomax 210.8 1981-1988 crd
    32. Jeff George 210.7 1990-2001 5TM
    33. Tony Romo (31) 209.8 2004-2012 dal
    34. Brian Griese 209.0 1998-2008 4TM
    35. Kerry Collins (39) 207.7 1995-2011 6TM
    36. Jake Plummer 204.6 1997-2006 2TM
    37. Jeff Garcia (41) 204.3 1999-2011 6TM
    38. Phil Simms 204.0 1979-1993 nyg
    39. Jake Delhomme (36) 203.6 1999-2011 4TM
    40. Kyle Orton (29) 203.1 2005-2012 4TM
    41. Boomer Esiason 202.8 1984-1997 3TM
    42. Chad Pennington 200.3 2000-2010 2TM
    43. Troy Aikman+ 199.6 1989-2000 dal
    44. Vinny Testaverde 198.4 1987-2007 7TM
    45. Joe Namath+ 197.6 1965-1977 2TM
    46. Chris Miller 197.1 1987-1999 3TM
    47. Steve Young+ 196.0 1985-1999 2TM
    48. Mark Sanchez (25) 195.9 2009-2012 nyj
    49. Stan Humphries 195.4 1989-1997 2TM
    50. Ken O'Brien 194.5 1984-1993 2TM
    51. Steve McNair 194.4 1995-2007 2TM
    52. Chad Henne (26) 193.7 2008-2012 2TM
    53. Shaun Hill (31) 193.4 2005-2012 3TM
    54. Doug Williams 193.2 1978-1989 2TM
    55. Ryan Fitzpatrick (29) 192.3 2005-2012 3TM
    56. Tommy Kramer 192.1 1977-1990 2TM
    57. Fran Tarkenton+ 191.1 1961-1978 2TM
    58. Johnny Unitas+ 190.7 1956-1973 2TM
    Jason Campbell (30) 190.7 2006-2012 3TM
    60. Brian Sipe 189.7 1974-1983 cle
    61. Rex Grossman (31) 189.5 2003-2012 3TM
    62. Otto Graham+ 187.2 1946-1955 cle
    63. Steve Bartkowski 187.0 1975-1986 2TM
    64. Randall Cunningham 186.2 1985-2001 4TM
    65. David Garrard 186.1 2002-2010 jax
    66. Bernie Kosar 184.9 1985-1996 3TM
    67. Erik Kramer 184.8 1987-1999 4TM
    68. Matt Schaub (30) 184.6 2004-2012 2TM
    69. Rich Gannon 183.1 1987-2004 4TM
    70. Joey Harrington 181.4 2002-2007 3TM
    71. Jeff Blake 180.9 1992-2005 7TM
    72. Bobby Hebert 180.7 1985-1996 2TM
    Alex Smith (27) 180.7 2005-2012 sfo
    74. Steve Grogan 180.4 1975-1990 nwe
    75. Tim Couch 179.5 1999-2003 cle
    76. Dave Krieg 179.1 1980-1998 6TM
    77. Bert Jones 178.3 1973-1982 2TM
    78. Matt Hasselbeck (36) 177.9 1999-2012 3TM
    79. Mark Rypien 177.6 1988-2001 5TM
    80. Byron Leftwich (31) 175.5 2003-2012 4TM
    81. Neil O'Donnell 174.9 1991-2003 4TM
    82. Jack Kemp 173.9 1957-1969 3TM
    83. Roger Staubach+ 173.3 1969-1979 dal
    84. Richard Todd 173.2 1976-1985 2TM
    85. Norm Snead 173.0 1961-1976 5TM
    Matt Cassel (29) 173.0 2005-2012 2TM
    87. Jim Miller 172.6 1995-2002 2TM
    88. Jim Hart 172.5 1966-1984 2TM
    89. Ken Anderson 171.0 1971-1986 cin
    90. Derek Anderson (28) 170.3 2006-2012 3TM
    91. Jay Schroeder 170.0 1985-1994 4TM
    92. Norm Van Brocklin+ 168.7 1949-1960 2TM
    93. Michael Vick (31) 167.3 2001-2012 2TM
    94. Quincy Carter 166.8 2001-2004 2TM
    95. Terry Bradshaw+ 166.6 1970-1983 pit
    96. Steve DeBerg 166.2 1978-1998 6TM
    Mark Brunell (41) 166.2 1994-2011 5TM
    98. Don Meredith 165.4 1960-1968 dal
    99. Jim Plunkett 164.9 1971-1986 3TM


    8th all time...
    now lets look at TD passes:

    farve...26.73 td per season
    manning...30.64
    brady...27.41
    palmer 23.62(if you exclude his lost year to injury where he only played in 4 games it jumps to 27.00, less then a single TD a season less then Brady...)YOu guys dont know sh....Young kids who want to talk like they know something and only show how ignorant they are.
    Numbers dont lie...class dissmissed.
    Last edited by stephkyle7; 12-17-2012 at 03:47 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephkyle7 View Post
    really has nothing to do with "views" it is numbers, simple numbers.
    Now what you kids want to do is rationalize why the numbers are wrong.

    why for whatever reason, he is undeserving of being where he factually is based on his production.
    the problem with that is , then EVERYBODYS numbers must also be questioned.
    How many probowl recievers did they play wityh, how many top 10 defenses,
    Injuries to other teams when they played, strengths of schedule,strengths of conferences, strength of divisions.
    See you really cant go down that road because its all subjective.

    The only standard of comparison is hard cold numbers.

    Now just as little math lesson for you scholars, average yards per game is once again the most important stat when determining a QBs standing historically because injuries or early retirements and other things effect wether or not they make it to the top 10, so here is the all time career average per games list.

    1. Matthew Stafford (23) 282.0 2009-2012 det
    2. Drew Brees (32) 268.1 2001-2012 2TM
    3. Peyton Manning (35) 265.3 1998-2012 2TM
    4. Kurt Warner 258.8 1998-2009 3TM
    5. Dan Marino+ 253.6 1983-1999 mia
    6. Aaron Rodgers (28) 252.0 2005-2012 gnb
    7. Tom Brady (34) 251.8 2000-2012 nwe
    8. CARSON PALMER(32) 243.8 2004-2012 2TM WHAT THE F...???? IM TRIPPIN BALLS!!!!!
    9. Philip Rivers (30) 243.0 2004-2012 sdg
    10. Matt Ryan (26) 242.3 2008-2012 atl
    11. Brett Favre 237.9 1991-2010 4TM
    12. Dan Fouts+ 237.8 1973-1987 sdg
    13. Marc Bulger 237.6 2002-2009 ram
    14. Trent Green 237.3 1997-2008 4TM
    15. Warren Moon+ 237.1 1984-2000 4TM
    16. Ben Roethlisberger (29) 235.1 2004-2012 pit
    17. Eli Manning (30) 231.4 2004-2012 nyg
    18. Jay Cutler (28) 230.9 2006-2012 2TM
    19. Daunte Culpepper 230.0 1999-2009 4TM
    Drew Bledsoe 230.0 1993-2006 3TM
    21. Josh Freeman (23) 223.9 2009-2012 tam
    22. Donovan McNabb (35) 223.2 1999-2011 3TM
    23. Jim Kelly+ 221.7 1986-1996 buf
    24. Joe Flacco (26) 221.2 2008-2012 rav
    25. Jim Everett 220.5 1986-1997 3TM
    26. John Elway+ 220.0 1983-1998 den
    27. Sam Bradford (24) 219.3 2010-2012 ram
    28. Aaron Brooks 217.9 2000-2006 2TM
    29. Joe Montana+ 211.2 1979-1994 2TM
    30. Jon Kitna (39) 211.0 1997-2011 4TM
    31. Neil Lomax 210.8 1981-1988 crd
    32. Jeff George 210.7 1990-2001 5TM
    33. Tony Romo (31) 209.8 2004-2012 dal
    34. Brian Griese 209.0 1998-2008 4TM
    35. Kerry Collins (39) 207.7 1995-2011 6TM
    36. Jake Plummer 204.6 1997-2006 2TM
    37. Jeff Garcia (41) 204.3 1999-2011 6TM
    38. Phil Simms 204.0 1979-1993 nyg
    39. Jake Delhomme (36) 203.6 1999-2011 4TM
    40. Kyle Orton (29) 203.1 2005-2012 4TM
    41. Boomer Esiason 202.8 1984-1997 3TM
    42. Chad Pennington 200.3 2000-2010 2TM
    43. Troy Aikman+ 199.6 1989-2000 dal
    44. Vinny Testaverde 198.4 1987-2007 7TM
    45. Joe Namath+ 197.6 1965-1977 2TM
    46. Chris Miller 197.1 1987-1999 3TM
    47. Steve Young+ 196.0 1985-1999 2TM
    48. Mark Sanchez (25) 195.9 2009-2012 nyj
    49. Stan Humphries 195.4 1989-1997 2TM
    50. Ken O'Brien 194.5 1984-1993 2TM
    51. Steve McNair 194.4 1995-2007 2TM
    52. Chad Henne (26) 193.7 2008-2012 2TM
    53. Shaun Hill (31) 193.4 2005-2012 3TM
    54. Doug Williams 193.2 1978-1989 2TM
    55. Ryan Fitzpatrick (29) 192.3 2005-2012 3TM
    56. Tommy Kramer 192.1 1977-1990 2TM
    57. Fran Tarkenton+ 191.1 1961-1978 2TM
    58. Johnny Unitas+ 190.7 1956-1973 2TM
    Jason Campbell (30) 190.7 2006-2012 3TM
    60. Brian Sipe 189.7 1974-1983 cle
    61. Rex Grossman (31) 189.5 2003-2012 3TM
    62. Otto Graham+ 187.2 1946-1955 cle
    63. Steve Bartkowski 187.0 1975-1986 2TM
    64. Randall Cunningham 186.2 1985-2001 4TM
    65. David Garrard 186.1 2002-2010 jax
    66. Bernie Kosar 184.9 1985-1996 3TM
    67. Erik Kramer 184.8 1987-1999 4TM
    68. Matt Schaub (30) 184.6 2004-2012 2TM
    69. Rich Gannon 183.1 1987-2004 4TM
    70. Joey Harrington 181.4 2002-2007 3TM
    71. Jeff Blake 180.9 1992-2005 7TM
    72. Bobby Hebert 180.7 1985-1996 2TM
    Alex Smith (27) 180.7 2005-2012 sfo
    74. Steve Grogan 180.4 1975-1990 nwe
    75. Tim Couch 179.5 1999-2003 cle
    76. Dave Krieg 179.1 1980-1998 6TM
    77. Bert Jones 178.3 1973-1982 2TM
    78. Matt Hasselbeck (36) 177.9 1999-2012 3TM
    79. Mark Rypien 177.6 1988-2001 5TM
    80. Byron Leftwich (31) 175.5 2003-2012 4TM
    81. Neil O'Donnell 174.9 1991-2003 4TM
    82. Jack Kemp 173.9 1957-1969 3TM
    83. Roger Staubach+ 173.3 1969-1979 dal
    84. Richard Todd 173.2 1976-1985 2TM
    85. Norm Snead 173.0 1961-1976 5TM
    Matt Cassel (29) 173.0 2005-2012 2TM
    87. Jim Miller 172.6 1995-2002 2TM
    88. Jim Hart 172.5 1966-1984 2TM
    89. Ken Anderson 171.0 1971-1986 cin
    90. Derek Anderson (28) 170.3 2006-2012 3TM
    91. Jay Schroeder 170.0 1985-1994 4TM
    92. Norm Van Brocklin+ 168.7 1949-1960 2TM
    93. Michael Vick (31) 167.3 2001-2012 2TM
    94. Quincy Carter 166.8 2001-2004 2TM
    95. Terry Bradshaw+ 166.6 1970-1983 pit
    96. Steve DeBerg 166.2 1978-1998 6TM
    Mark Brunell (41) 166.2 1994-2011 5TM
    98. Don Meredith 165.4 1960-1968 dal
    99. Jim Plunkett 164.9 1971-1986 3TM


    8th all time...
    now lets look at TD passes:

    farve...26.73 td per season
    manning...30.64
    brady...27.41
    palmer 23.62(if you exclude his lost year to injury where he only played in 4 games it jumps to 27.00, less then a single TD a season less then Brady...)YOu guys dont know sh....Young kids who want to talk like they know something and only show how ignorant they are.
    Numbers dont lie...class dissmissed.
    nuff said, you right big daddy. Palmer top 5 of all time. 54-66 in the words of raiderdawg straight BEAST! Palmer is a sure fire HOF. Palmer will win us superbowls BOOK IT.


    Yall let me slip?!?!

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    I didnt say that, now your twisting my words, he is better then youve given him credit for..thats all im saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephkyle7 View Post
    really has nothing to do with "views" it is numbers, simple numbers.
    Now what you kids want to do is rationalize why the numbers are wrong.

    why for whatever reason, he is undeserving of being where he factually is based on his production.
    the problem with that is , then EVERYBODYS numbers must also be questioned.
    How many probowl recievers did they play wityh, how many top 10 defenses,
    Injuries to other teams when they played, strengths of schedule,strengths of conferences, strength of divisions.
    See you really cant go down that road because its all subjective.

    The only standard of comparison is hard cold numbers.

    Now just as little math lesson for you scholars, average yards per game is once again the most important stat when determining a QBs standing historically because injuries or early retirements and other things effect wether or not they make it to the top 10, so here is the all time career average per games list.

    1. Matthew Stafford (23) 282.0 2009-2012 det
    2. Drew Brees (32) 268.1 2001-2012 2TM
    3. Peyton Manning (35) 265.3 1998-2012 2TM
    4. Kurt Warner 258.8 1998-2009 3TM
    5. Dan Marino+ 253.6 1983-1999 mia
    6. Aaron Rodgers (28) 252.0 2005-2012 gnb
    7. Tom Brady (34) 251.8 2000-2012 nwe
    8. CARSON PALMER(32) 243.8 2004-2012 2TM WHAT THE F...???? IM TRIPPIN BALLS!!!!!
    9. Philip Rivers (30) 243.0 2004-2012 sdg
    10. Matt Ryan (26) 242.3 2008-2012 atl
    11. Brett Favre 237.9 1991-2010 4TM
    12. Dan Fouts+ 237.8 1973-1987 sdg
    13. Marc Bulger 237.6 2002-2009 ram
    14. Trent Green 237.3 1997-2008 4TM
    15. Warren Moon+ 237.1 1984-2000 4TM
    16. Ben Roethlisberger (29) 235.1 2004-2012 pit
    17. Eli Manning (30) 231.4 2004-2012 nyg
    18. Jay Cutler (28) 230.9 2006-2012 2TM
    19. Daunte Culpepper 230.0 1999-2009 4TM
    Drew Bledsoe 230.0 1993-2006 3TM
    21. Josh Freeman (23) 223.9 2009-2012 tam
    22. Donovan McNabb (35) 223.2 1999-2011 3TM
    23. Jim Kelly+ 221.7 1986-1996 buf
    24. Joe Flacco (26) 221.2 2008-2012 rav
    25. Jim Everett 220.5 1986-1997 3TM
    26. John Elway+ 220.0 1983-1998 den
    27. Sam Bradford (24) 219.3 2010-2012 ram
    28. Aaron Brooks 217.9 2000-2006 2TM
    29. Joe Montana+ 211.2 1979-1994 2TM
    30. Jon Kitna (39) 211.0 1997-2011 4TM
    31. Neil Lomax 210.8 1981-1988 crd
    32. Jeff George 210.7 1990-2001 5TM
    33. Tony Romo (31) 209.8 2004-2012 dal
    34. Brian Griese 209.0 1998-2008 4TM
    35. Kerry Collins (39) 207.7 1995-2011 6TM
    36. Jake Plummer 204.6 1997-2006 2TM
    37. Jeff Garcia (41) 204.3 1999-2011 6TM
    38. Phil Simms 204.0 1979-1993 nyg
    39. Jake Delhomme (36) 203.6 1999-2011 4TM
    40. Kyle Orton (29) 203.1 2005-2012 4TM
    41. Boomer Esiason 202.8 1984-1997 3TM
    42. Chad Pennington 200.3 2000-2010 2TM
    43. Troy Aikman+ 199.6 1989-2000 dal
    44. Vinny Testaverde 198.4 1987-2007 7TM
    45. Joe Namath+ 197.6 1965-1977 2TM
    46. Chris Miller 197.1 1987-1999 3TM
    47. Steve Young+ 196.0 1985-1999 2TM
    48. Mark Sanchez (25) 195.9 2009-2012 nyj
    49. Stan Humphries 195.4 1989-1997 2TM
    50. Ken O'Brien 194.5 1984-1993 2TM
    51. Steve McNair 194.4 1995-2007 2TM
    52. Chad Henne (26) 193.7 2008-2012 2TM
    53. Shaun Hill (31) 193.4 2005-2012 3TM
    54. Doug Williams 193.2 1978-1989 2TM
    55. Ryan Fitzpatrick (29) 192.3 2005-2012 3TM
    56. Tommy Kramer 192.1 1977-1990 2TM
    57. Fran Tarkenton+ 191.1 1961-1978 2TM
    58. Johnny Unitas+ 190.7 1956-1973 2TM
    Jason Campbell (30) 190.7 2006-2012 3TM
    60. Brian Sipe 189.7 1974-1983 cle
    61. Rex Grossman (31) 189.5 2003-2012 3TM
    62. Otto Graham+ 187.2 1946-1955 cle
    63. Steve Bartkowski 187.0 1975-1986 2TM
    64. Randall Cunningham 186.2 1985-2001 4TM
    65. David Garrard 186.1 2002-2010 jax
    66. Bernie Kosar 184.9 1985-1996 3TM
    67. Erik Kramer 184.8 1987-1999 4TM
    68. Matt Schaub (30) 184.6 2004-2012 2TM
    69. Rich Gannon 183.1 1987-2004 4TM
    70. Joey Harrington 181.4 2002-2007 3TM
    71. Jeff Blake 180.9 1992-2005 7TM
    72. Bobby Hebert 180.7 1985-1996 2TM
    Alex Smith (27) 180.7 2005-2012 sfo
    74. Steve Grogan 180.4 1975-1990 nwe
    75. Tim Couch 179.5 1999-2003 cle
    76. Dave Krieg 179.1 1980-1998 6TM
    77. Bert Jones 178.3 1973-1982 2TM
    78. Matt Hasselbeck (36) 177.9 1999-2012 3TM
    79. Mark Rypien 177.6 1988-2001 5TM
    80. Byron Leftwich (31) 175.5 2003-2012 4TM
    81. Neil O'Donnell 174.9 1991-2003 4TM
    82. Jack Kemp 173.9 1957-1969 3TM
    83. Roger Staubach+ 173.3 1969-1979 dal
    84. Richard Todd 173.2 1976-1985 2TM
    85. Norm Snead 173.0 1961-1976 5TM
    Matt Cassel (29) 173.0 2005-2012 2TM
    87. Jim Miller 172.6 1995-2002 2TM
    88. Jim Hart 172.5 1966-1984 2TM
    89. Ken Anderson 171.0 1971-1986 cin
    90. Derek Anderson (28) 170.3 2006-2012 3TM
    91. Jay Schroeder 170.0 1985-1994 4TM
    92. Norm Van Brocklin+ 168.7 1949-1960 2TM
    93. Michael Vick (31) 167.3 2001-2012 2TM
    94. Quincy Carter 166.8 2001-2004 2TM
    95. Terry Bradshaw+ 166.6 1970-1983 pit
    96. Steve DeBerg 166.2 1978-1998 6TM
    Mark Brunell (41) 166.2 1994-2011 5TM
    98. Don Meredith 165.4 1960-1968 dal
    99. Jim Plunkett 164.9 1971-1986 3TM


    8th all time...
    now lets look at TD passes:

    farve...26.73 td per season
    manning...30.64
    brady...27.41
    palmer 23.62(if you exclude his lost year to injury where he only played in 4 games it jumps to 27.00, less then a single TD a season less then Brady...)YOu guys dont know sh....Young kids who want to talk like they know something and only show how ignorant they are.
    Numbers dont lie...class dissmissed.
    You know Steph, there is nothing wrong with having a meaningful discussion on these boards, thats part of the fun. You claim to be an adult, its time to act like it.

    I actually agree with you for the most part. Carson Palmer has played on a lot of ****** teams in Cincinnati and Oakland thus far.

    A single player can't win games by themselves. The defenses when he was in Cincinnati and Oakland have been crap. A QB can only do so much when the defense doesn't do their part.

    I would even go so far as to say that if Palmer was playing in NE we would be talking about him as one of the greatest of all time.

    See how I did that without calling anyone names. Its not hard, you should try it sometime.
    Last edited by krsonekth; 12-17-2012 at 05:38 AM.

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    You're right


    Numbers don't lie


    And Joe Montana is number 29


    GTFO bro, think about how stupid you sound right now

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    About a month ago I was impressed with Palmer's numbers, until I woke up and faced reality, it doesn't matter what kind of stats he has, if they don't amount to a "W" what good are they? It seems quite pointless to have impressive numbers and nothing to show for it.

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    Its stupid to judge a qb by statistics...especially when the stats don't back up what your seeing with your eyes....qbs should be judged on what they do in critical situations...

    How is Carson on third down?..redzone?...in game winning situations?..that tells you all you need to know about him...he is not the one and I'm sure if there was a better option would have been replaced already

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    Marino never won a SB, and finished half of the seasons he played in @ 9-7 or worse.

    Like I said, numbers dont lie.
    When making a comparison,the only thing to effectively use are comparable stats.
    w/L isnt attributable to the QB exclusively.

    Now, for the sake of you guys that cant handle me putting him in the "same" category as Brady.

    OBVIOUSLY, Tom has produced wins, and Championships which have elevated his stature.
    But, Farve Only won once in 19 years and his career QB rating was 86..about the same as Palmers.

    so once again, even if you NEED to use subjective data,even if you are prejudiced in your examination of the evidence, there has been 100 years of Professional football,and almost 150 years since the first college game.

    In that time there have been hundreds of pros, and thousands of College QBs.
    Palmer ranks as the 29th most accomplished College QB in history.
    OUT OF THOUSANDS, and wherever you choose to rank him on the Pros chart..he definitely should be included in the top 50? top 30?
    IN 100 years!!!!!

    If that isnt good enough to win a sb, then no one is.
    We arent losing because CP throws INTS, or is the king of garbage time yards, or hes to slow, or he makes bad throws...we are losing becasue he is the one and only guy who has shown up for 14 weeks.
    He is 13 yards shy of 4000 yards...again...

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    Steph..come on dude..you can't really believe what your saying?..I agree that carsoon isn't horrible but he's not good either
    Your just throwing out the fact that he's probably top 5 in attempts...so should he not have a lot of passing yards?
    Numbers are fickle a blind person can see carson isn't nearly as good as brady no matter what their numbers say

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephkyle7 View Post
    really has nothing to do with "views" it is numbers, simple numbers.
    Now what you kids want to do is rationalize why the numbers are wrong.

    why for whatever reason, he is undeserving of being where he factually is based on his production.
    the problem with that is , then EVERYBODYS numbers must also be questioned.
    How many probowl recievers did they play wityh, how many top 10 defenses,
    Injuries to other teams when they played, strengths of schedule,strengths of conferences, strength of divisions.
    See you really cant go down that road because its all subjective.

    The only standard of comparison is hard cold numbers.

    Now just as little math lesson for you scholars, average yards per game is once again the most important stat when determining a QBs standing historically because injuries or early retirements and other things effect wether or not they make it to the top 10, so here is the all time career average per games list.

    1. Matthew Stafford (23) 282.0 2009-2012 det
    2. Drew Brees (32) 268.1 2001-2012 2TM
    3. Peyton Manning (35) 265.3 1998-2012 2TM
    4. Kurt Warner 258.8 1998-2009 3TM
    5. Dan Marino+ 253.6 1983-1999 mia
    6. Aaron Rodgers (28) 252.0 2005-2012 gnb
    7. Tom Brady (34) 251.8 2000-2012 nwe
    8. CARSON PALMER(32) 243.8 2004-2012 2TM WHAT THE F...???? IM TRIPPIN BALLS!!!!!
    9. Philip Rivers (30) 243.0 2004-2012 sdg
    10. Matt Ryan (26) 242.3 2008-2012 atl
    11. Brett Favre 237.9 1991-2010 4TM
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    14. Trent Green 237.3 1997-2008 4TM
    15. Warren Moon+ 237.1 1984-2000 4TM
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    17. Eli Manning (30) 231.4 2004-2012 nyg
    18. Jay Cutler (28) 230.9 2006-2012 2TM
    19. Daunte Culpepper 230.0 1999-2009 4TM
    Drew Bledsoe 230.0 1993-2006 3TM
    21. Josh Freeman (23) 223.9 2009-2012 tam
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    23. Jim Kelly+ 221.7 1986-1996 buf
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    26. John Elway+ 220.0 1983-1998 den
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    28. Aaron Brooks 217.9 2000-2006 2TM
    29. Joe Montana+ 211.2 1979-1994 2TM
    30. Jon Kitna (39) 211.0 1997-2011 4TM
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    32. Jeff George 210.7 1990-2001 5TM
    33. Tony Romo (31) 209.8 2004-2012 dal
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    35. Kerry Collins (39) 207.7 1995-2011 6TM
    36. Jake Plummer 204.6 1997-2006 2TM
    37. Jeff Garcia (41) 204.3 1999-2011 6TM
    38. Phil Simms 204.0 1979-1993 nyg
    39. Jake Delhomme (36) 203.6 1999-2011 4TM
    40. Kyle Orton (29) 203.1 2005-2012 4TM
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    42. Chad Pennington 200.3 2000-2010 2TM
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    45. Joe Namath+ 197.6 1965-1977 2TM
    46. Chris Miller 197.1 1987-1999 3TM
    47. Steve Young+ 196.0 1985-1999 2TM
    48. Mark Sanchez (25) 195.9 2009-2012 nyj
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    50. Ken O'Brien 194.5 1984-1993 2TM
    51. Steve McNair 194.4 1995-2007 2TM
    52. Chad Henne (26) 193.7 2008-2012 2TM
    53. Shaun Hill (31) 193.4 2005-2012 3TM
    54. Doug Williams 193.2 1978-1989 2TM
    55. Ryan Fitzpatrick (29) 192.3 2005-2012 3TM
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    57. Fran Tarkenton+ 191.1 1961-1978 2TM
    58. Johnny Unitas+ 190.7 1956-1973 2TM
    Jason Campbell (30) 190.7 2006-2012 3TM
    60. Brian Sipe 189.7 1974-1983 cle
    61. Rex Grossman (31) 189.5 2003-2012 3TM
    62. Otto Graham+ 187.2 1946-1955 cle
    63. Steve Bartkowski 187.0 1975-1986 2TM
    64. Randall Cunningham 186.2 1985-2001 4TM
    65. David Garrard 186.1 2002-2010 jax
    66. Bernie Kosar 184.9 1985-1996 3TM
    67. Erik Kramer 184.8 1987-1999 4TM
    68. Matt Schaub (30) 184.6 2004-2012 2TM
    69. Rich Gannon 183.1 1987-2004 4TM
    70. Joey Harrington 181.4 2002-2007 3TM
    71. Jeff Blake 180.9 1992-2005 7TM
    72. Bobby Hebert 180.7 1985-1996 2TM
    Alex Smith (27) 180.7 2005-2012 sfo
    74. Steve Grogan 180.4 1975-1990 nwe
    75. Tim Couch 179.5 1999-2003 cle
    76. Dave Krieg 179.1 1980-1998 6TM
    77. Bert Jones 178.3 1973-1982 2TM
    78. Matt Hasselbeck (36) 177.9 1999-2012 3TM
    79. Mark Rypien 177.6 1988-2001 5TM
    80. Byron Leftwich (31) 175.5 2003-2012 4TM
    81. Neil O'Donnell 174.9 1991-2003 4TM
    82. Jack Kemp 173.9 1957-1969 3TM
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    85. Norm Snead 173.0 1961-1976 5TM
    Matt Cassel (29) 173.0 2005-2012 2TM
    87. Jim Miller 172.6 1995-2002 2TM
    88. Jim Hart 172.5 1966-1984 2TM
    89. Ken Anderson 171.0 1971-1986 cin
    90. Derek Anderson (28) 170.3 2006-2012 3TM
    91. Jay Schroeder 170.0 1985-1994 4TM
    92. Norm Van Brocklin+ 168.7 1949-1960 2TM
    93. Michael Vick (31) 167.3 2001-2012 2TM
    94. Quincy Carter 166.8 2001-2004 2TM
    95. Terry Bradshaw+ 166.6 1970-1983 pit
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    Mark Brunell (41) 166.2 1994-2011 5TM
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    8th all time...
    now lets look at TD passes:

    farve...26.73 td per season
    manning...30.64
    brady...27.41
    palmer 23.62(if you exclude his lost year to injury where he only played in 4 games it jumps to 27.00, less then a single TD a season less then Brady...)YOu guys dont know sh....Young kids who want to talk like they know something and only show how ignorant they are.
    Numbers dont lie...class dissmissed.
    Ive been a Palmer supporter since the day we aquired him and this just makes me that much more confident in his ability to play QB at a very high level. I just don't understand what his critics have against him besides the fact that he throws ints a little too often sometimes but honestly, about half of his picks were tipped balls due to stone hand recievers or missed communications with his (green) recievers. And yet, not once have you heard Palmer make an excuse or throw. ANYONE under the bus nut HIMSELF when in all actuality hes the only reason weve won the 4 games weve won this year...IMO (pryor looked like a rookie out there, givin he got screwed with that false start & only played three snaps)

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephkyle7 View Post
    Marino never won a SB, and finished half of the seasons he played in @ 9-7 or worse.

    Like I said, numbers dont lie.
    When making a comparison,the only thing to effectively use are comparable stats.
    w/L isnt attributable to the QB exclusively.

    Now, for the sake of you guys that cant handle me putting him in the "same" category as Brady.

    OBVIOUSLY, Tom has produced wins, and Championships which have elevated his stature.
    But, Farve Only won once in 19 years and his career QB rating was 86..about the same as Palmers.

    so once again, even if you NEED to use subjective data,even if you are prejudiced in your examination of the evidence, there has been 100 years of Professional football,and almost 150 years since the first college game.

    In that time there have been hundreds of pros, and thousands of College QBs.
    Palmer ranks as the 29th most accomplished College QB in history.
    OUT OF THOUSANDS, and wherever you choose to rank him on the Pros chart..he definitely should be included in the top 50? top 30?
    IN 100 years!!!!!

    If that isnt good enough to win a sb, then no one is.
    We arent losing because CP throws INTS, or is the king of garbage time yards, or hes to slow, or he makes bad throws...we are losing becasue he is the one and only guy who has shown up for 14 weeks.
    He is 13 yards shy of 4000 yards...again...
    At least Marino went to the superbowl.

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    Marino was FILTHY!
    My point is w/L isnt a objective guidline when rating an individual ina a Team sport.

    no matter how much you guys kick and scream it should be IT SIMPLY ISNT.
    Thats not my opinion, that is a DEFINITION.
    So,Doug Williams, or trent dilfer should be in the conversation of greatness?
    the both WON sbs...
    McNabb went to four straight NFC championship games, hell, he didnt even have a real reciever most of his career.Is he one of the greatest?
    He won ALL THE TIME.
    He is 12 in all time winning percentage.
    What about my boy Eli...two rings already, may get a third or fourth before its all over.


    42

    he is 42,in all time win percentage , a little better then .500 for his career.
    so then is he a great QB?

    see you guys are offering observations and opinions based on how you FEEL.
    That is fine, opinions are cool, but then you start to drift into DECLARITIVE statements, which need to be supported by facts.

    facts speak for themselves, if you need to seek out a single fact , while ignoring the rest to support your idea? chances are you are wrong in your assesment.

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