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View Poll Results: What route should we take if we replace Christian Ponder at QB?

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  • Who said anything about replacing Christian Ponder?

    16 27.59%
  • Draft the best QB available in the 2013 draft even if we need to trade up to #1 to get him.

    9 15.52%
  • Draft a 1st round QB but don't trade up.

    3 5.17%
  • Draft a QB somewhere after the 1st round.

    8 13.79%
  • Trade for a QB.

    9 15.52%
  • Sign someone in free agency.

    10 17.24%
  • Joe Webb can start because he's better anyways.

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    Alternatives to Ponder at QB

    You all know I still support Ponder, however I do think that right now it might be a good idea to open up a discussion (and have another vote) for where everyone thinks of the alternatives the team could have at QB in 2013.

    Draft a new QB

    Probable 1st rounders

    Matt Barkley, USC 6'2' 230lbs. Age: 23
    Geno Smith, West Virginia 6'3" 214lbs. Age: 23
    Tyler Wilson, Arkansas 6'3" 220lbs. Age: 24
    Tyler Bray, Tennessee 6'6" 210lbs. Age: 21

    Probable 2nd round or later.
    E.J. Manuel, FSU 6'5" 234lbs. Age: 23
    Ryan Nassib, Syracuse 6'2" 229lbs. Age: 23
    Landry Jones, Oaklahoma 6'4" 216lbs. Age: 24
    Aaron Murray, Georgia 6'1" 211lbs. Age: 22
    Logan Thomas, Virginia Tech 6'6" 262lbs. Age: 22

    To sum everything up I can't see us being able to draft one of the top three QBs without trading up. Others will be available to us but it means that we won't get the cream of the crop at WR, DT or MLB and whoever we draft will be a work in progress for the next 2 years or so, like Ponder was.

    Free Agents
    Joe Flacco-Baltimore Ravens, 6'6" 245lbs. Age: 28
    (Barely even worth including since there is 0 chance that he doesn't get re-signed or franchised)

    Jason Campbell-Chicago Bears, 6'5" 230lbs. Age: 31
    Matt Moore-Miami Dolphins, 6'3" 216lbs. Age: 29
    Tarvaris Jackson-Buffalo Bills, 6'2" 225lbs. Age: 30
    Drew Stanton-Indianapolis Colts, 6'3" 230lbs. Age: 29
    Byron Leftwich-Pittsburgh Steelers, 6'5" 250lbs. Age: 33
    Tyler Thigpen-Buffalo Bills, 6'1" 216lbs. Age: 29
    Bruce Gradkowski-Cincinnati Bengals, 6'1" 220lbs. Age 30
    Charlie Batch-Pittsburgh Steelers, 6'2" 216lbs. Age: 38
    Brady Quinn-Kansas City Chiefs, 6'3" 235lbs. Age: 29
    Matt Leinart-Oakland Raiders, 6'5" 227lbs. Age: 30
    David Carr-New York Giants, 6'3" 212lbs. Age: 34
    Rex Grossman-Washington Redskins, 6'1" 225lbs. Age: 33
    Luke McCown-Atlanta Falcons, 6'4" 217lbs. Age: 32
    Derek Anderson-Carolina Panthers, 6'6" 235lbs. Age: 30
    Chase Daniel-New Orlenas Saints, 6'0" 225lbs. Age: 28
    Dan Orlovsky-Tampabay Buccaneers, 6'5" 230lbs. Age: 30
    Kellen Clemens-St. Louis Rams, 6'2" 220lbs. Age: 30
    David Garrard-Free Agent, 6'1" 235lbs. Age: 35
    Dennis Dixon-Baltimore Ravens (PS) 6'3" 200lbs. Age: 28
    Vince Young-Feee Agent 6'5" 232lbs. Age: 30
    A.J. Feely-Free Agent 6'3" 220lbs. Age: 37
    Troy Smith-Free Agent 6'0" 217lbs. Age: 29
    Josh Johnson-Free Agent 6'3" 230lbs. Age: 27
    Billy Volek-Free Agent 6'2" 214lbs. Age: 37
    Seneca Wallace-Free Agent 5'11" 205lbs. Age: 33
    John Parker Wilson-Free Agent 6'2" 213lbs. Age: 28
    Josh McCown-Free Agent 6'4" 215lbs Age: 34
    Chris Redman-Free Agent 6'3" 233lbs Age: 36
    Sage Rosenfels-Free Agent 6'4" 222lbs. Age: 35
    Brett Ratliff-Free Agent 6'4" 235lbs. Age: 28
    Adam Weber-Tampa Bay Buccaneers (PS) 6'3" 210lbs. Age: 26
    Brian Hoyer-Free Agent 6'2" 215lbs. Age: 28
    John Beck-Free Agent 6'2" 215lbs. Age: 32

    A lot of these guys are terrible but I prefer Matt Moore since he can be pretty solid and won't cost us a draft pick.

    Possible Trades

    Ryan Fitzpatrick-Buffalo Bills, 6'2" 225lbs. Age: 30 (balance of $62.5 mil contract through 2017 remaining)

    Alex Smith-San Francisco 49ers, 6'4" 217lbs. Age: 28 (ballance of 3 year contract through 2015, realistically Smith is owed $12 mil over the next 2 years)

    Mark Sanchez-New York Jets, 6'2" 225lbs. Age: 26 (balance of $58.25 mil contract remaining through 2016)

    Tim Tebow-New York Jets, 6'3" 236lbs. Age: 26 (balance of $9.75 mil conract remaining through 2014, realistically he is only going to earn about 3.3 mil)

    Colt McCoy-Cleveland Browns, 6''1" 215lbs. Age: 27 (1 year contract, $575,000)

    Chad Henne-Jacksonville Jaguars, 6'3" 230lbs Age: 28 (1 year contract $2.6mil + incentives)

    Matt Hasselbeck-Tennessee Titans, 6'4" 225lbs. Age: 38 (balance of $20 mil contract remaining through 2013, realistically he is only going to earn $5.5 mil next year, although some play-time escalators may have been triggered)

    Matt Cassel-Kansas City Chiefs, 6'4" 230lbs. Age: 31 (balance of $63 mil contract remaining through 2014, realistically he is only going to earn around $16 mil in that time)

    Carson Palmer-Oakland Raiders, 6'5" 235lbs. Age: 33 (balance of $43 mil contract remaining through 2016. Realistically since the last two years are voidable, Palmer will make $18 mil or so over the next two years. Also note that there is $0 guaranteed money after this season)

    Philip Rivers-San Diego Chargers, 6'5" 228lbs. Age: 31 (balance of $98 mil contract remaining through 2015. Roughly $40 mil left)

    Tony Romo-Dallas Cowboys, 6'2" 228lbs. Age: 33 (1 year, $11.5 mil left on contract through 2013)

    Michael Vick-Philadelphia Eagles, 6'0" 215lbs. Age: 33 (balance of $100mil contract remaining. Realistically Vick will be released due to the out clauses in his contract or his contract will be heavily re-worked to facilitate a trade)

    Kevin Kolb-Arizona Cardinals, 6'3" 218lbs. Age: 29 (balance of $63.5 mil contract remaining through 2016. Realistically Kolb will either be released or have his contract re-worked to facilitate a trade)

    Matt Flynn-Seattle Seahawks, 6'2" 225lbs. Age: 28 (balance of $19.5 mil contract remaining through 2014)

    I listed Rivers because you never know what could happen in SD if they get rid of A.J. Smith (the lord of no rings).

    Rivers, Romo and Flynn would probably command top draft choices (1st to 2nd round picks, maybe 3rd if we were lucky).

    Fitzpatrick, Tebow, Sanchez and Palmer would probably warrant somewhere around a 3rd-4th round pick with the others available for less than that. I can see some of these guys being moved so that their team can go up in the draft. If we decide to move on Ponder could find himself involved in one of these trades but his value is probably about a 4th round pick right now.

    Current Vikings QBs
    Christian Ponder-FSU, 6'2" 229lbs. Age: 25 (balance of $10.5 mil contract remaining through 2014)

    Joe Webb-UAB 6'4" 220lbs. Age: 26 (1 year, $575,000 remaining on contract)

    McLeod Bethel-Thompson-Sacramento State, 6'4" 230lbs. Age: 25 (1 year, $480,000 remaining, Exclusive Rights Free Agent 2014)

    My own opinion of Joe Webb as a QB is now pretty low, from what he was able to show us so far this year, he has learned absolutely nothing about playing the position over the past 3 years that he's been on the Vikings. Bethel-Thompson also has a lot of convincing to do if he plans to be taken seriously.

    As bad as Ponder is playing now he's the clear cut best option between the three by a mile.

    P.S. VCU, it might be a good idea to combine this with the Ponder thread since its about him, I just wanted to get this done so that people would be able to vote on it.
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    I like Chase Daniel. I think he is a very smart player and has been learning under drew for years. I love the way he plays. Seems like he just knows how to win and makes very smart decisions. He is short ya, but I feel like he has so much upside. I just can not begin to explain how pissed I am at Ponder and Musgrave. Just flatout bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel0227 View Post
    I like Chase Daniel. I think he is a very smart player and has been learning under drew for years. I love the way he plays. Seems like he just knows how to win and makes very smart decisions. He is short ya, but I feel like he has so much upside. I just can not begin to explain how pissed I am at Ponder and Musgrave. Just flatout bad.
    He's been pretty terrible as a pro though, even in the pre-season. He might be part of some kind of low-end idea where he's signed as a backup and to compete with Ponder.

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    I say we put him on the bench for now and see what we can do with our in house QBs. I'd be willing to give Ponder another chance to try and win the job next year but as far as this year goes, sit the guy down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by natelpete View Post
    I say we put him on the bench for now and see what we can do with our in house QBs. I'd be willing to give Ponder another chance to try and win the job next year but as far as this year goes, sit the guy down.
    I don't agree because Webb is an incompetent QB. I'm much more interested to see if Ponder can pull through this although Musgrave is nearly a lost cause at this point. I'm not going to suggest that we hang on and keep struggling with him for this long, however the last time before T-Jack that we had a struggling young QB we gave up on him, his name was Rich Gannon and he went on to be one of the better passers in the late 90s (although admittedly he was like 31 before he was really great and was putting up way better numbers than Ponder is, although even worse on INTs). If Denny Green didn't bench him for Salisbury our 1990s could have looked a lot different.

    Sure it was pretty cool to have Warren Moon, but had we hung in there with Gannon its very possible that he would have been hitting stride right when Randy Moss came along. I know that Gannon had a better arm than Ponder does but you get the idea.

    Christian Ponder should go into training camp this year with the starting QB job his to loose. We gave T-Jack 3 years, we should at least give the same to Ponder, especially if we get a new OC and do some upgrades on offense, although by now it makes a whole lot of sense for us to have some sort of a backup plan, which Webb isn't.

    Make Joe Webb a gadget player like Brad Smith (even though Buffalo was apparently trying to turn him into their #3 QB) , line him up in the slot and motion him all over the place. Think of what can be done with reverses and flea flickers (one of Webb's strength is the deep ball and if uncertainty and misdirection buy him enough time I'd love to see how far he could rocket the ball down the field to Percy)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 100%CHEESE FREE View Post
    He's been pretty terrible as a pro though, even in the pre-season. He might be part of some kind of low-end idea where he's signed as a backup and to compete with Ponder.
    I need to take that back, he actually put up good numbers in the pre-season and did take all the first team reps for the Saints in camp with Brees brooding over his contract. Still I wouldn't rate him as a walk in starter but the basic idea of having a street free agent compete with Ponder for the starting job is sound since it saves us so much money and picks.

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    Not even a thought in my mind to replace Ponder at this point. It truly isn't. I'm sticking with him for at least the remainder of this year. We have too many holes to even contemplate drafting another QB in the 1st three rounds. Unless we somehow end up with a new coach then I just don't see that even being an option.

    As much blame is to put on Ponder I really think Musgrave needs some blame here as well. Teams made adjustments to our scheme and now even the bad defenses are capitalizing on it. I don't think that's on Ponder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacofunk64 View Post
    Not even a thought in my mind to replace Ponder at this point. It truly isn't. I'm sticking with him for at least the remainder of this year. We have too many holes to even contemplate drafting another QB in the 1st three rounds. Unless we somehow end up with a new coach then I just don't see that even being an option.

    As much blame is to put on Ponder I really think Musgrave needs some blame here as well. Teams made adjustments to our scheme and now even the bad defenses are capitalizing on it. I don't think that's on Ponder.
    Well that's part of it too, a consistent theme throughout Ponder's regression has been that Musgrave has changed exactly nothing from the game plan. Rudolph is still a non-factor and our ineffective WRs are still doing things they are ineffective at. Jenkins at this point should be a rotational player and should chiefly be used for short outs and the like to move the sticks. The only way he can do anything is if the opponent ****s up their coverage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 100%CHEESE FREE View Post
    Well that's part of it too, a consistent theme throughout Ponder's regression has been that Musgrave has changed exactly nothing from the game plan. Rudolph is still a non-factor and our ineffective WRs are still doing things they are ineffective at. Jenkins at this point should be a rotational player and should chiefly be used for short outs and the like to move the sticks. The only way he can do anything is if the opponent ****s up their coverage.
    I still don't understand not getting Rudolph going. I mean, That's alot of what freed up Harvin. From what I saw last night with Harvin, you could tell his frustration is a ticking time bomb waiting to happen. I feel like, if the Chargers let Norv Turner go, We need to do everything we can to pick him up for our offencive Cor.
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    I overreacted yesterday with saying bench Ponder. That does our team no good and to just do it for like 2 weeks just lowers his confidence more and doesn't help a young QB trying to find his identity.
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    I think this is the best possible scenario for us.

    Step 1: Let Ponder finish out the season and see what happens.

    Step 2: Sign a middle of the pack FA QB like Moore, and/or draft a QB in the 3rd round or so.

    Step 3: Use first 2 picks to draft a couple playmakers on offense. (need to find a replacement for Harvin If/When he leaves.

    Step 4: Get a real coaching staff (head coach and OC. anyone is an upgrade at this point)

    Step 5: have a 3 way competition for starting QB position and go with whoever we feel is the best. If the offense is still anemic and cant produce, look to draft a top QB in 2014 draft. at least we should have some talent in place for whoever it ends up being.


    I think a strategy like this still gives Ponder a legitimate shot at being our guy, but also gives us options if he continues to struggle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo30 View Post
    I think this is the best possible scenario for us.

    Step 1: Let Ponder finish out the season and see what happens.

    Step 2: Sign a middle of the pack FA QB like Moore, and/or draft a QB in the 3rd round or so.

    Step 3: Use first 2 picks to draft a couple playmakers on offense. (need to find a replacement for Harvin If/When he leaves.

    Step 4: Get a real coaching staff (head coach and OC. anyone is an upgrade at this point)

    Step 5: have a 3 way competition for starting QB position and go with whoever we feel is the best. If the offense is still anemic and cant produce, look to draft a top QB in 2014 draft. at least we should have some talent in place for whoever it ends up being.


    I think a strategy like this still gives Ponder a legitimate shot at being our guy, but also gives us options if he continues to struggle.
    I am completely against the firing of Leslie Frazier. He is our HC and will be our HC next year. Musgrave has to go though.

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    Get Jason Cambell and hire Sean Payton. Scratch that get Sean Payton and let him choose the Qb period! Give him whatever he wants to come here and coach. We would keep Harvin b/c of that and our offense would be much better. If Payton can't make Ponder good than he's not going to be a starter in the NFL. I like Frazier and Ponder as people. However, I don't believe in them at this point. I need to see some signs of life. There has been some but very faint and I don't like that other teams seem more prepared at the QB and coaching position.

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    Let's let somebody with some actual knowledge of this team shine some light on Mr. Ponder:

    @TomPelissero: The volume of "fire/bench everyone" emails/tweets makes evident many #Vikings fans have lost the plot. This team wasn't built for '12.

    ‏@TomPelissero: Second-year QB passer ratings: Dalton (86.7), Ponder (82.0), Gabbert (78.4), Newton (77.7). Life's not easy when defenses get a book on you.

    @TomPelissero: That's not to say all of those QBs will end up being successes or none of them will. But patience is a virtue at the position.

    @TomPelissero: Today was Ponder's 19th NFL start. Here's another QB's stat line in 19th start: 12-of-31, 152 yards, 2 INTs, 27.9 rating. Anyone know who? (Eli Manning)

    @TomPelissero: Not saying Ponder is Eli Manning. But that guy was booed for 3.5 years, now has 2 rings. Patience is a virtue. Instant success is rare

    @TomPelissero: I'm not even defending Ponder. He has been brutal of late. But it's part of the bigger picture. The book isn't written on his career here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jhood_121 View Post
    Get Jason Cambell and hire Sean Payton. Scratch that get Sean Payton and let him choose the Qb period! Give him whatever he wants to come here and coach. We would keep Harvin b/c of that and our offense would be much better. If Payton can't make Ponder good than he's not going to be a starter in the NFL. I like Frazier and Ponder as people. However, I don't believe in them at this point. I need to see some signs of life. There has been some but very faint and I don't like that other teams seem more prepared at the QB and coaching position.
    The only way we should hire Sean Payton is if its for an excuse to get him alone in a room with Favre and a rusty iron pipe. That POS should have the **** beaten out of him for running a dirty football team. If we hire him I stop being a Vikings fan until he's run out of town.

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