I laughed my *** of when he was called off the bench to shoot two free throws after Rush got hurt and couldn't continue... predictably he missed both
hating on zito? must not being giants fans. didn't we win lik 13 in a row in his starts??? didn't he go 7-0 to finish the regular season and had 2 amazing starts in key games in the playoffs... 15 win season, hard to say he sucks right now... not saying he's not overpaid, but it's not my money so i could give a rats azz
Please leave baseball out of the warriors forum it's uncalled for. Casual giants fans don't know baseball at all. Let's pretend the giants replaced Zito but that pitcher wasn't hot against the cards in the nlcs. The giants don't win the world series without Zito. Zito was the giants winningest pitcher in the 2nd half and had a good year so cut your crap please and leave baseball out of this forum. Zito had a comeback and don't tell me u wouldn't be happy if biedrins did the same. If biedrins started scoring 18 a game would you say he sucks or would u be happy? That's what Zito did. Sports fans who are just casual baseball followers are the worst to talk to. Let's just talk warriors on the warriors forum please.
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Zito is still limited, and is overpaid as a 5th starter, but as a 5th starter he's not too bad.
Zito has better stuff than Sergio Romo and people love Romo at the moment The difference is that Zito is expected to do it for 6 innings not just 1. Zito's starts usually have a few good innings, the problem is that the big bad inning is unpredictable.
Oh, and I agree that Beans should get more playing time. He can hardly foul more or play worse D than Landry/Lee on 7 footers.
I hate how people bring up, "The Giants won Zito's last 14 starts." So what? It doesn't mean he's a good pitcher. He got the most run support of any starter on the team. He pitched better in September, but wins are irrelevant when judging a pitcher because he really has no control of the outcome unless he pitches shutouts every game. When are people going to realize that? People act like Zito had some great year because he won 15 games. I'm grateful for what he did in St. Louis and in the World Series, but this wasn't even his best year as a Giant. 2009 was.
Starting pitchers get judged on quality starts, wins, WHIP, and ERA, relievers get judged on ERA, good innings, saves, etc. But wins "irrelevant"? Not even close.
If a pitcher always wins he's a good pitcher, either by pitching or by luck, but a win is a win. If a pitcher always loses then he never holds the other team to less runs than his team can score in the same conditions.
Wins is not the be all and end all by any means, but it's certainly relevant.
Quick note, Zito does not have better stuff than Sergio Romo. When you can have a FIP of 2.7 and have a slow fastball, you have pretty wicked stuff. The movement he has is pretty incredible along with more control.
If a pitcher continuously throws quality starts almost every time out, he gives his team a much greater chance of winning. But if he's backed by an anemic offense that can barely score runs and he loses the majority of the time that doesn't make him a bad pitcher. On the flip side, if a pitcher allows 4-5 runs a game, but is backed by a lineup like the Yankees a few years back and gets the win, that doesn't make him a good pitcher.
Wins are irrelevant when judging a pitcher. They should be ignored when doing so.
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