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    Seven Mets became free agents today

    http://metsblog.com/metsblog/seven-m...-agents-today/
    Scott Hairston, Jon Rauch, Ramon Ramirez, Ronny Cedeno, Kelly Shoppach, Tim Byrdak and Chris Young all became free agents today, and are free to negotiate with other teams.

    Mike Puma of the New York Post says the Mets still would like to retain Hairston, but the raise and probability he will command a multi-year deal makes his return unlikely.

    Sandy Alderson said in July he decided not to trade Hairston at the trade deadline because he had more value to the Mets on the team than he did for the quality of prospects he could have acquired in return.

    Hairston was then placed on trade waivers in August, and while he was claimed, the Mets did not make a deal.
    Good thing they kept Hairston on the team, it paid dividends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sick Of It All View Post
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    Good thing they kept Hairston on the team, it paid dividends.

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    Ideal scenario: Retain both Hairston and Shoppach

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vintage View Post
    Ideal scenario: Retain both Hairston and Shoppach
    Too bad the Mets aren't in the business of multi year deals this offseason.

    Although to be honest depending on what Hairston gets in FA, he might not be worth keeping anyway.

    Shoppach on the other hand, wasn't very impressive but i would only bring him back to backup a real starting catcher that wasn't Josh Thole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vintage View Post
    Ideal scenario: Retain both Hairston and Shoppach
    Yeah it's a shame that won't happen. I wouldn't mind keeping Cedeno or Rauch for cheap one year deals.

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    Identical to the Reyes situation, but just not the same quality of player of course and we get no compensation for letting Hairston go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna28 View Post
    Identical to the Reyes situation, but just not the same quality of player of course and we get no compensation for letting Hairston go.
    Agreed. We could have gotten something for him for sure

    Alderson has been terrible he didnt even get us Zack Wheeler.

    It was desperate Sabean who threw himself at Beltran for a chance to repeat.

    As GM, Alderson has done NOTHING.

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    Hopefully we can get Shop back

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sick Of It All View Post
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    Good thing they kept Hairston on the team, it paid dividends.
    We could have had a Dock Doyle type of player for him.

    Damn Sandy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by clayamtion View Post
    We could have had a Dock Doyle type of player for him.

    Damn Sandy.
    Actually he could of gotten much better than that, if you trust your scouts you could find hidden gems in the lower minors, but to keep him for the single fact that he would help the Mets win 1 or 2 more games was pretty idiotic, specially considering that a higher pick would of been better for the Mets since the idea is to build through the draft right?

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    It is completely pathetic that they won't entertain even a 2 year deal for Hairston. What a joke this team continues to be. IMO it's just another excuse to not to spend any money. Whatever it takes to do anything, the Mets position themselves below that level.

    They must think we are stupid. We know what you're doing Frandy.

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    I'm actually pretty excited to see how bad of a team they put together. I imagine someone like Jeremy Reed will be starting in the outfield for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MetsFanatic19 View Post
    I'm actually pretty excited to see how bad of a team they put together. I imagine someone like Jeremy Reed will be starting in the outfield for us.


    It would not bother me if they won 50 games and att. fell thru the floor. That's what the Coupons and their enablers Bud and Spindy deserve.

    It's disgusting what is going on here.

    A NY team can't afford to resign Scott ******** Hairston???


    That's just BS and totally unacceptable. And people think this team is going to spend and win in 2014 just because two deals are coming off...

    Ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty Mcfly View Post
    It would not bother me if they won 50 games and att. fell thru the floor. That's what the Coupons and their enablers Bud and Spindy deserve.

    It's disgusting what is going on here.

    A NY team can't afford to resign Scott ******** Hairston???


    That's just BS and totally unacceptable. And people think this team is going to spend and win in 2014 just because two deals are coming off...

    Ok.
    You can throw out all of the "clever" jargon about ownership or the front office that you want, but it doesn't change the fact that what's happening was said from the beginning is what has come to pass. People are becoming frustrated with the wait of slashing payroll and letting the team develop, but what we're failing to take into account is that the offseason is just beginning and there is a lot of time for moves to be made.

    When Alderson was hired in 2010, this was an excerpt from his conference:

    "When asked if 2011 will be a “caretaker year,” Alderson said he plans to put the best possible team on the field, even with the limited payroll flexibility. He hopes to put the Mets in the position where they can be aggressive in the market every offseason, but doesn’t see that happening this winter."-NBC Hardball

    Aggressive doesn't mean "Spend on huge free agents, pursue every top free agent, and win through free agency", as many here would tend to believe. Aggressiveness through free agency can be just as detrimental as standing pat, making lateral trades, or trying to search for bargains. Look at how the Marlins played out this year, in addition to the Angels (Winning record, but nothing to show for it). The Mets even had a frigging book written about them called "The Worst Team Money Can Buy". Maybe you should be more versed about the history instead of being extremely short sighted and quick to insult a situation that you clearly don't know everything behind.

    While Alderson has never formally said there was going to be a 5 year rebuilding plan, perhaps more, he has implied that this is going to take time to restructure. One may point to the draft and say that many of the picks weren't taken, and while that holds true, I think we have to wait and see how the extra money is going to be allocated. We don't know if they planned on spending some of that money on research, on facilities in the minor leagues, on improvements, paying off debts that the TEAM needs to pay off.

    You say it's unacceptable that a New York team can't afford to sign Scott Hairston? That's fine. The thing is, they CAN afford to sign him, they just choose to (most likely) not spend their resources on a player who has a career year at age 32, who can't hit right handed pitching, who doesn't have the best OF defense, and will serve far better for an AL team if the need is there. Whether or not he should have been traded is a useless argument now. It's done.

    What they can do is be creative in trades and free agency to get a player comparable to Hairston for less money. Wait and see. Don't expect Tori Hunter, Cody Ross, or someone along those lines, but don't be surprised to see people like Lucas Duda, Jon Niese, Daniel Murphy, or Bobby Parnell wearing a different uniform next year for a OF piece.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MetsLegacy View Post
    You can throw out all of the "clever" jargon about ownership or the front office that you want, but it doesn't change the fact that what's happening was said from the beginning is what has come to pass. People are becoming frustrated with the wait of slashing payroll and letting the team develop, but what we're failing to take into account is that the offseason is just beginning and there is a lot of time for moves to be made.

    When Alderson was hired in 2010, this was an excerpt from his conference:

    "When asked if 2011 will be a “caretaker year,” Alderson said he plans to put the best possible team on the field, even with the limited payroll flexibility. He hopes to put the Mets in the position where they can be aggressive in the market every offseason, but doesn’t see that happening this winter."-NBC Hardball

    Aggressive doesn't mean "Spend on huge free agents, pursue every top free agent, and win through free agency", as many here would tend to believe. Aggressiveness through free agency can be just as detrimental as standing pat, making lateral trades, or trying to search for bargains. Look at how the Marlins played out this year, in addition to the Angels (Winning record, but nothing to show for it). The Mets even had a frigging book written about them called "The Worst Team Money Can Buy". Maybe you should be more versed about the history instead of being extremely short sighted and quick to insult a situation that you clearly don't know everything behind.

    While Alderson has never formally said there was going to be a 5 year rebuilding plan, perhaps more, he has implied that this is going to take time to restructure. One may point to the draft and say that many of the picks weren't taken, and while that holds true, I think we have to wait and see how the extra money is going to be allocated. We don't know if they planned on spending some of that money on research, on facilities in the minor leagues, on improvements, paying off debts that the TEAM needs to pay off.

    You say it's unacceptable that a New York team can't afford to sign Scott Hairston? That's fine. The thing is, they CAN afford to sign him, they just choose to (most likely) not spend their resources on a player who has a career year at age 32, who can't hit right handed pitching, who doesn't have the best OF defense, and will serve far better for an AL team if the need is there. Whether or not he should have been traded is a useless argument now. It's done.

    What they can do is be creative in trades and free agency to get a player comparable to Hairston for less money. Wait and see. Don't expect Tori Hunter, Cody Ross, or someone along those lines, but don't be surprised to see people like Lucas Duda, Jon Niese, Daniel Murphy, or Bobby Parnell wearing a different uniform next year for a OF piece.


    1. Heard it all before, why would anyone believe anything will happen this off-season, when they have done nothing for years?

    2. Typical Alderson BS. Designed to placate those willing to believe anything.

    3. Heard it all before. Have the Mets improved by taking an alternative route to doing anything via FA? NO. Take away Wheeler and they've done nothing whatsoever.

    4. We're not rebuilding. You're welcome to 'wait and see' for as long as you like, I'm not stopping you. Wait until they pay off the debts? LOL!!! That's decades away.

    5. Do they have anyone better? No. Who will they get instead? And what with?

    6. LOL!!! Robbing Peter to pay Paul. Color me totally unimpressed.


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    isten, I can see you're 'on-message' with Frandy and their endless nonsense, but I am not, so you're wasting your time trying to spin the Mets BS to me.

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