Patriots acquire CB Aqib Talib and a 7th round pick for a 4th round pick

[B'sCeltsPatsSox]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
NFL policy is that suspensions are for games, not bye weeks. So new Patriots CB Aqip Talib is not eligible to play until Nov. 18 vs. Indy.

.....I was right! lol

[BostonSports96]

Very Belichick-esque move right here

[holywack17]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
NFL policy is that suspensions are for games, not bye weeks. So new Patriots CB Aqip Talib is not eligible to play until Nov. 18 vs. Indy.

.....I was right! lol

But there must be some language that allows him on the facility, because essentially he would be suspended for 5 weeks (no access to the facility). I'm wondering what the procedure (if any) exists for this type of situation.

[B'sCeltsPatsSox]

But there must be some language that allows him on the facility, because essentially he would be suspended for 5 weeks (no access to the facility). I'm wondering what the procedure (if any) exists for this type of situation.

They probably won't allow it. They suspended him for 4 GAMES not 4 weeks.

[PatsSoxKnicks]

Here's a detailed look at Talib's numbers over the years:

        QB Sk	QB Ht	QB Hu	Tks	Ast	MT	Stops	TA	Rec	% Ct	Yds	Avg	YAC	LG	TD	Int	PD	NFL Rating
2012	0	0	0	23	0	3	9	36	24	66.7	399	16.6	171	51	1	1	6	101.5
2011	0	0	0	34	1	8	12	51	28	54.9	479	17.1	316	87	6	2	5	109.8
2010	0	0	0	39	1	3	9	59	35	59.3	502	14.3	162	43	5	6	7	75.6
2009	0	0	0	54	4	6	12	81	49	60.5	582	11.9	201	59	4	5	8	73.2
2008	0	0	0	14	3	3	4	31	16	51.6	207	12.9	36	39	2	4	5	54.8

Here's a little context for you guys. In 2012 so far, he ranks 66th out of 104 CBs in NFL passer rating against, he ranks 72nd in catch% against (again out of 104 CBs), he ranks 97th in Yards allowed per completion. (However its worth noting that both Arrington and Sterling Moore were in the bottom 15 of all corners in passer rating and comp%).

In 2011, he ranked 94th out of 109 CBs in NFL passer rating against, 37th out of 109 CBs in catch% and 106th out of 109 CBs in yards per completion.

In 2010, he ranked 26th out of 100 CBs in NFL passer rating against, 40th out of 100 CBs in catch%, and 76th out of 100 CBs in yards per completion.

In 2009, he ranked 34th out of 107 CBs in NFL passer rating against, 52nd out of 107 CBs in catch% and 51st out of 107 CBs in yards per completion.

In 2008, he ranked 9th out of 114 CBs in NFL passer rating against, 15th out of 114 CBs in catch% and 69th out of 114 CBs in yards per completion.

In addition, here are some of his advanced stats/charting stats from Football Outsiders:

Advanced Stats:

Year	Plays	Stops	Dfts	Yd/Play	Rank	StopRate Rank	AdjPctTm Rank	Run/Pass Ratio
2011	45	24	12	6	5	53%	9	7%	69	0.3
2010	51	20	9	6.3	14	39%	6	9%	31	0.2
2009	78	30	16	7.8	39	38%	57	10%	30	0.3
2008	29	15	8	5.1	--	52%	--	4%	--	0.3

*AdjPctTm short for Adj Pct Tm Total

Advanced Stats vs Pass:

	All Pass Plays							Receptions Only		
Year	Plays	Stops	Dfts	Yd/Play	Rank	StopRate Rank	Pct Tm	Tkl	Stops	Stop Rate
2011	36	17	9	6.2	6	47%	27	11%	25	6	24%
2010	41	16	8	6.7	17	39%	52	11%	30	5	17%
2009	60	23	14	7.8	30	38%	52	17%	45	8	18%
2008	23	13	8	5.1	--	57%	--	7%	14	4	29%

Advanced Stats vs Run:

Year	Plays	Stops	Dfts	Yd/Play	Rank	StopRate Rank	Pct Tm
2011	9	7	3	5	20	78%	2	78%
2010	10	4	1	4.4	12	40%	5	40%
2009	18	7	2	7.8	55	39%	60	39%
2008	6	2	0	5.2	--	33%	--	33%

Charting Stats:

									Adjusted			Non-Adjusted	
Year	Hits	Hur	Tgts	Tgt%	Rank	AvgDist	YAC	Rank	Suc%	Rank	PaYd	Rank	Suc%	PaYd
2011	0	0	46	15.90%	52	12.5	5.2	73	64%	6	5.5	9	62%	6.2
2010	0	0	50	17.00%	24	13	3.8	55	55%	24	8.1	59	57%	8.5
2009	0	0	77	19.30%	16	14	3.3	35	49%	53	6.9	31	49%	7.0
2008	0	0	32	8.60%	--	13.4	2.3	--	58%	--	5.5	--	59%	6.2

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/sta...ing-stats-2011
http://footballoutsiders.com/extra-p...talib-patriots

If anyone wants me to explain defeats, Stop Rate or some of the other stats I can but if you look on the Football Outsiders glossary, you should find an explanation.

I'll comment a bit more on the numbers later.

[subroc]

A video with a little discussion and an article with some analysis:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...-marriage-work

[Kucka]

I like the move. But it definitely shows that the Patriots are aware of a closing window and want to win now. Trading for an expiring contract/troubled player seems to be a big risk. Let's hope he doesn't play too well because we all know if he goes off for the last half of the season then the Pats won't dish out the big money to keep him around.

[chomaru]

I like the move. But it definitely shows that the Patriots are aware of a closing window and want to win now. Trading for an expiring contract/troubled player seems to be a big risk. Let's hope he doesn't play too well because we all know if he goes off for the last half of the season then the Pats won't dish out the big money to keep him around.

I was thinking the opposite, if this turns into a boom situation like with Dillon/Moss they caved in and brought them back with deals that some would argue they didn't deserve. Even if Talib ends up being super bowl MVP I would be more inclined to say thank you for all you've done and congrats on your long term deal else where.

[holywack17]

^ even if he does play amazing, we can franchise him if we want, then you can either have him for a year, see if he continues playing well and maybe give him a contract, or deal him in the offseason to try to get back some compensation.

[chomaru]

^ even if he does play amazing, we can franchise him if we want, then you can either have him for a year, see if he continues playing well and maybe give him a contract, or deal him in the offseason to try to get back some compensation.

Good call, I'm liking this move more and more.

[georgiadolfan]

Can someone explain how adderall is a performance enhancing drug? I'm looking at drugs.com and it shows it treats for ADHD & narcolepsy I know the NFL bans it but is enhancing drug? Someone please explain? Thanks

Adderall is considered a performance enhancer because it help you gain and stay focused. Whether that is a big advantage, who knows? But that is why it's considered a performance enhancer.


As for Talib, if he could stay out of trouble, and keep his mind on the game (probably why he was taking Adderll) he has the skills to be a top 3 or 4 CB in the league. The problem like mentioned before, is he's inconsistant.

[subroc]

I like the move. But it definitely shows that the Patriots are aware of a closing window and want to win now. Trading for an expiring contract/troubled player seems to be a big risk. Let's hope he doesn't play too well because we all know if he goes off for the last half of the season then the Pats won't dish out the big money to keep him around.

I am sure the Patriots are fully aware of their situation. But, on the other hand, you may not be. Assuming the Patriots miss the play-offs and who knows if they will or not, that pick, on a draft trade chart, is worth 62 points. The 7th they get back is worth maybe 8. They need a corner for this year. He is available. If they have to let him walk next year due to an unreasonable contract expectation, they will and won’t think another thing about it. The Patriots are a team that cuts players they owe draft picks on and money to all the time. It is a cost of doing business. That 4th round pick doesn’t even register a blip on the radar.

As far as the closing window and win now comment, have you been paying attention to their draft the last couple years? This is a team whose window may just be starting to open, never mind closing. They have completely retooled several key positions with very good youthful players. Their rebuilding process is almost complete never mind window closing. As far as win now, every team wants to win now.

[BradyIsTheMan12]

One thing that should be noted is that Belichick has a good relationship with Schiano, so he probably got a good feeling of how Talib could transition to the Pats. This is certainly a high risk/high reward situation, but if Talib gets with the program then that significantly alters our secondary in a good way. The Pats can keep McCourty at safety and have Talib and Dennard as our two corners, and that is actually a pretty talented secondary. The bye week also probably helps in getting Talib more time to get acquainted with what the Pats do as well.

I'm not chalking this one as a win yet, but it could be brilliant if Talib has his head on straight..

[BostonSports96]

We can probably still re-sign him at a moderate price in the offseason, but we have to see how he plays in our system the rest of the year.

We need to be playing more press coverage, because someone is always gonna be wide open when we play zone. Dennard and Talib play better in press, not sure about McCourty.

[Green_Monster]

Nice pickup!