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    BB's drafting over the last 4 years

    I can't wait until the pundits and assorted negative nellies who say BB can't draft pass judgment on the last 4 drafts:

    2012:

    Chandler Jones
    Dont'a Hightower
    Tavon Wilson
    Jake Bequette
    Nate Ebner
    Alfonzo Dennard

    2011:

    Nate Solder
    Ras-I Dowling
    Shane Vereen
    Stevan Ridley
    Ryan Mallett
    Marcus Cannon

    2010:

    Devin McCourty
    Rob Gronkowski
    Jermaine Cunningham
    Brandon Spikes
    Aaron Hernandez
    Zoltan Mesko
    Brandon Deaderick

    2009:

    Patrick Chung
    Ron Brace
    Sebastian Vollmer
    Myron Pryor
    Julian Edelman

    Not all start, some haven't proven out yet. Go ahead and show me any NFL team that has so many excellent, very good, good, and OK players in the last 4 drafts. Then consider the salary cap, and lack of high picks due to our record.

    Toss in the FA (UDFA and regular) pool over that time, and it's even more impressive list.

    Amazing how much Pats fans short shrift BB.


    6/27/09: “We expect [Rondo] to play by the rules and be a leader as a point guard. We need him to be more of a leader,” Ainge said. “There were just a couple situations where he was late this year, I don’t know if he was sitting in his car, but showed up late and the rest of the team was there. We have team rules and you have to be on time. He was fined for being late, he said he was stuck in traffic, and it’s just unacceptable.”

    Some jerks never learn.....

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    I agree, he's done amazingly well of late. What's more, he's built a team that could probably contend without Brady in the future, especially if Mallett pans out. We really couldn't ask for a better HC/GM, so really the negativity is baffling.

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    I added 2007 because there are 2 Pro Bowl players in that draft. I believe he drafts well. I am not that critical of any teams drafting. To be honest, I don't follow college football so don't know any of the players anyway. What I am most impressed with though, is the fact that what your examples show mostly was a transition period, that in some circles is called a rebuilding process. During this period, this rebuilding process, he turned the team into a young team, and had a 14 game winning season and a 13 game winning season with a SB appearance to boot.

    I am always down with a pat Bill Belichick on the back thread. The Patriots are fortunate to have him.



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    Year   Rnd Pick                     Pos   To AP1 PB St CarAV  G     Cmp Att Yds TD Int     Att  Yds TD       Rec  Yds TD Int  Sk         College/Univ
    2012     1   21      Chandler Jones  DE 2012   0  0  1        8                                                              6.0             Syracuse
    2012     1   25     Donta Hightower ILB 2012   0  0  1        6                                                              2.0              Alabama
    2012     2   48        Tavon Wilson  FS 2012   0  0  0        8                                                            3                 Illinois
    2012     3   90       Jake Bequette  DE 2012   0  0  0        2                                                                              Arkansas
    2012     6  197          Nate Ebner  DB 2012   0  0  0        8                                                                              Ohio St.
    2012     7  224     Alfonzo Dennard  CB 2012   0  0  0        4                                                            2                 Nebraska
    2012     7  235        Jeremy Ebert  WR        0  0  0                                                                                   Northwestern
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    Year   Rnd Pick                     Pos   To AP1 PB St CarAV  G     Cmp Att Yds TD Int     Att  Yds TD       Rec  Yds TD Int  Sk         College/Univ
    2011     1   17         Nate Solder  OL 2012   0  0  2     9 24                                                                              Colorado
    2011     2   33       Ras-I Dowling  DB 2012   0  0  0     1  8                                                                  Northern Virginia CC
    2011     2   56        Shane Vereen  RB 2012   0  0  0     0 10                             32  129  3         3   32  0                   California
    2011     3   73       Stevan Ridley  RB 2012   0  0  1     4 24                            237 1157  6         9   64  0                          LSU
    2011     3   74        Ryan Mallett  QB 2012   0  0  0     0  1       1   3  17  0   0       3   -3  0                                       Arkansas
    2011     5  138       Marcus Cannon  OL 2012   0  0  0     0 15                                                                                   TCU
    2011     5  159           Lee Smith  TE 2012   0  0  0     1 17                                                5   16  0           Franklin  Marshall
    2011     6  194      Markell Carter  LB 2011   0  0  0     0  0                                                                      Central Arkansas
    2011     7  219    Malcolm Williams  DB 2012   0  0  0     0  3                                                                                   TCU
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    Year   Rnd Pick                     Pos   To AP1 PB St CarAV  G     Cmp Att Yds TD Int     Att  Yds TD       Rec  Yds TD Int  Sk         College/Univ
    2010     1   27      Devin McCourty  DB 2012   0  1  3    16 38                                                           11 1.0              Rutgers
    2010     2   42      Rob Gronkowski  TE 2012   1  1  3    26 40                              1    2  1       175 2453 34                      Arizona
    2010     2   53 Jermaine Cunningham  LB 2012   0  0  1     5 32                                                              2.5              Florida
    2010     2   62      Brandon Spikes  LB 2012   0  0  2     7 28                                                            1 1.0              Florida
    2010     3   90        Taylor Price  WR 2012   0  0  0     1  6                                                5   80  0                         Ohio
    2010     4  113     Aaron Hernandez  TE 2012   0  0  2    22 32                              9   97  0       141 1616 15                      Florida
    2010     5  150        Zoltan Mesko   P 2012   0  0  1     0 40                                                                              Michigan
    2010     6  205          Ted Larsen   C 2012   0  0  2     7 35                                                                    North Carolina St.
    2010     7  208        Thomas Welch   T 2011   0  0  0     2  8                                                                            Vanderbilt
    2010     7  247   Brandon Deaderick  DE 2012   0  0  0     2 26                                                              4.0              Alabama
    2010     7  248         Kade Weston  DT        0  0  0                                                                                        Georgia
    2010     7  250        Zac Robinson  QB 2012   0  0  0     0  0                                                                          Oklahoma St.
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    Year   Rnd Pick                     Pos   To AP1 PB St CarAV  G     Cmp Att Yds TD Int     Att  Yds TD       Rec  Yds TD Int  Sk         College/Univ
    2009     2   34       Patrick Chung  DB 2012   0  0  2    10 44                                                            5 3.0               Oregon
    2009     2   40           Ron Brace  DT 2012   0  0  1     5 36                                                                           Boston Col.
    2009     2   41       Darius Butler  DB 2012   0  0  0     8 44                                                            3              Connecticut
    2009     2   58   Sebastian Vollmer   T 2012   0  0  2    25 44                                                                               Houston
    2009     3   83        Brandon Tate  WR 2012   0  0  1     9 41                              6   73  0        30  520  4               North Carolina
    2009     3   97     Tyrone McKenzie  LB 2012   0  0  0     0 11                                                                         South Florida
    2009     4  123     Rich Ohrnberger   G 2012   0  0  0     0 13                                                                              Penn St.
    2009     5  170       George Bussey   T        0  0  0                                                                                     Louisville
    2009     6  198         Jake Ingram  LS 2010   0  0  0     0 25                                                                                Hawaii
    2009     6  207         Myron Pryor  DT 2012   0  0  0     3 24                                                              1.0             Kentucky
    2009     7  232      Julian Edelman  WR 2012   0  0  0     7 44                             10   22  0        61  579  2                     Kent St.
    2009     7  234      Darryl Richard  DT        0  0  0                                                                                   Georgia Tech
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    Year   Rnd Pick                     Pos   To AP1 PB St CarAV  G     Cmp Att Yds TD Int     Att  Yds TD       Rec  Yds TD Int  Sk         College/Univ
    2008     1   10          Jerod Mayo  LB 2012   1  1  5    35 67                                                            3 5.5            Tennessee
    2008     2   62   Terrence Wheatley  DB 2011   0  0  0     1 12                                                                              Colorado
    2008     3   78        Shawn Crable  LB 2010   0  0  0     0  6                                                              0.5             Michigan
    2008     3   94      Kevin OConnell  QB 2011   0  0  0     0  2       4   6  23  0   0       3   -6  0                                  San Diego St.
    2008     4  129    Jonathan Wilhite  DB 2011   0  0  0     9 54                                                            4 2.0               Auburn
    2008     5  153         Matt Slater  WR 2012   0  1  0     0 67                              1    6  0         1   46  0                         UCLA
    2008     6  197             Bo Ruud  LB        0  0  0                                                                                       Nebraska
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    Quote Originally Posted by subroc View Post
    I added 2007 because there are 2 Pro Bowl players in that draft. I believe he drafts well. I am not that critical of any teams drafting. To be honest, I don't follow college football so don't know any of the players anyway. What I am most impressed with though, is the fact that what your examples show mostly was a transition period, that in some circles is called a rebuilding process. During this period, this rebuilding process, he turned the team into a young team, and had a 14 game winning season and a 13 game winning season with a SB appearance to boot.

    I am always down with a pat Bill Belichick on the back thread. The Patriots are fortunate to have him.
    Yeah. And if you toss in the UDFA's and FA's starting in 2008, there is quite a nice selection too.


    6/27/09: “We expect [Rondo] to play by the rules and be a leader as a point guard. We need him to be more of a leader,” Ainge said. “There were just a couple situations where he was late this year, I don’t know if he was sitting in his car, but showed up late and the rest of the team was there. We have team rules and you have to be on time. He was fined for being late, he said he was stuck in traffic, and it’s just unacceptable.”

    Some jerks never learn.....

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    2009:

    BB is lucky that Vollmer is great because everyone would be ripping him for that draft right now if Vollmer sucked like a lot people though he would've. Chung's pass coverage skills have been poor as of late, but still is pretty good at stopping the run. Butler was cut after 2 seasons and was absolutely abysmal in his final season here. Brace has been solid when he's gotten playing time but is still the 3rd DT on the depth chart. Pryor has been bleh but Edelman is a pretty good player for a 7th round pick.

    2010:

    May be Belichick's best draft when it's all set and done. Gronk's playing at a HOF level right now, Hernandez has been playing like a pro bowler for the past 2 seasons. McCourty is back to playing like a top 15 CB. Spikes has been very good in the run stopping department but still has room to improve his coverage skills. Cunningham has gotten some time lately too as a situational pass rusher which is an improvement from seeing little to no time over the past couple of seasons.

    2011:

    Solder has been pretty damn good this season. Probably the most underrated Patriot at the moment and deserves some credit for protecting Brady's blindside pretty well after week 2. Ras-I has looked like a 2nd round pick when he's been on the field. The problem is, is that he rarely sees the field because of his injuries. If we can see Ras-I play a full season healthy I think he'll show that he was worth the 33rd pick. Shane Vereen played very little last season but has gotten some playing time this season. He's probably the best all around RB the Patriots have right now and hasn't done anything negative when he's seen the field. Ridley has looked like at least a top 10 RB so far this season which is an absolutely great value pick for a third rounder. Mallett looked a bit worse this preseason than he did last preseason but he still has a ton of room to grow and we definitely haven't seen the best from him yet. Marcus Cannon has played poorly when he has gotten playing time but I believe it's because he's playing out of position. I still feel he's much better suited to be a guard where he was seen as a first round talent.

    2012:

    I know it's early but I'll grade on what I've seen so far.

    Jones was a great pick, he's the DROY for the first half of the season. Hightower has been a top 10-15 defensive rookie as well. Wilson hasn't been bad but nothing spectacular. Much better though than what a lot of people thought he would be and is one of the very few concerns in the defense. Bequette has only been dressed for what, 2 games? Can't really give him a grade but I see him being a decent situational pass rusher in his future. Nate Ebner has been bleh. The play that sticks out is letting Sidney Rice beating him to get the game winning TD against the Seahawks a couple weeks back. Dennard has looked well when he's played, definitely is good value for a 7th round pick and is one of the brighter spots in the secondary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bagwell368 View Post
    Yeah. And if you toss in the UDFA's and FA's starting in 2008, there is quite a nice selection too.
    When it comes to UDFAs and FAs, I believe the 90 men in camp really helps a guy like BB and a team like the Patriots over a lot of other teams. A lot of these guys, when given a choice, want to play for a winning organization and BB gives them that opportunity. He can really pick who he wants in camp. 53 out of 90, especially when your talent level is higher than other teams in the league, is a good formula for success.

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    I don't think anyone is complaining about his overall drafting so much as his poor drafting in the secondary. Everywhere else looks fine.

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    If only Wheatley or Butler has panned out long term in the Secondary we would be Golden

    The verdict is certainly still out there for Ras-I and Tavon. Lets just hope one of them can become any every down impact player.

    BB body of work in drafting is absolutely stellar, though.
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    BB has been good in the first round, but not really after that (with the exception of 2010 when he got Gronk, Hernandez and Spikes all after the 1st)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonSports96 View Post
    BB has been good in the first round, but not really after that (with the exception of 2010 when he got Gronk, Hernandez and Spikes all after the 1st)
    Ridley isn't looking like a great pick? Vereen's looking to be on his way to a nice change of pace back too.

    I think Tavon Wilson is going to be a very solid starting SS so I'm on board with that pick. Dennard is a player too IMO.

    Cunningham is looking like a solid rotational player too.

    A couple of good STers in Meskow and Slater.

    Vollmer is a great RT and Chung isn't that bad. Not a good pick but not a bad one either.




    And it's also unreasonable to expect the same success on draft picks after round 1 as in that first round. There's a reason those players are going lower. Sometimes they pan out, but the chances go down the later you pick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hugepatsfan View Post
    Ridley isn't looking like a great pick? Vereen's looking to be on his way to a nice change of pace back too.

    I think Tavon Wilson is going to be a very solid starting SS so I'm on board with that pick. Dennard is a player too IMO.

    Cunningham is looking like a solid rotational player too.

    A couple of good STers in Meskow and Slater.

    Vollmer is a great RT and Chung isn't that bad. Not a good pick but not a bad one either.




    And it's also unreasonable to expect the same success on draft picks after round 1 as in that first round. There's a reason those players are going lower. Sometimes they pan out, but the chances go down the later you pick.
    I agree with you on Ridley, Dennard, Mesko, Slater and Vollmer.

    However, the jury is still out on Wilson, Cunningham and Chung.

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    I know as a Jets fan I would love to have all the picks he has had in the past few drafts. I know I am no GM, but I could have set the Jets up for many years to come with the picks he has had.
    PSD's Sheldon Richardson!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccugrad1 View Post
    I know as a Jets fan I would love to have all the picks he has had in the past few drafts. I know I am no GM, but I could have set the Jets up for many years to come with the picks he has had.
    sounds good...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccugrad1 View Post
    I know as a Jets fan I would love to have all the picks he has had in the past few drafts. I know I am no GM, but I could have set the Jets up for many years to come with the picks he has had.
    We always pick behind you in the past 10 years? Sure BB has made a couple trades for future pick that resulted in some high picks but its not like he was picking in the top 10 year in and year out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaginRondo17 View Post
    We always pick behind you in the past 10 years? Sure BB has made a couple trades for future pick that resulted in some high picks but its not like he was picking in the top 10 year in and year out.
    How does what you wrote address the post you quoted?


    6/27/09: “We expect [Rondo] to play by the rules and be a leader as a point guard. We need him to be more of a leader,” Ainge said. “There were just a couple situations where he was late this year, I don’t know if he was sitting in his car, but showed up late and the rest of the team was there. We have team rules and you have to be on time. He was fined for being late, he said he was stuck in traffic, and it’s just unacceptable.”

    Some jerks never learn.....

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