2012-2013 off-season trade ideas

[GeronimoSon]

Taveras has a greater value than Lindor, and is much closer.

They aren't equally tradeable prospects, and Garcia isn't equal to Westbrook in value either.


Carpenter and Kelly or Lynn and maybe a Tyrell Jenkins level prospect for Cabrera I thought was fair.

Before their off-season signings, I was suggesting Kelly, Jenkins and Adams for Cabrera, but that wasn't really a fit for both teams well enough either.

Taveras won't be moved, he is our full time right fielder in 2014 and beyond. Lindor is an awesome prospect, and the Cards would love to have him, but that's too much to get him.

In this market, with quality SP's being at a premium, obtaining a pair of SP candidates, one for right now (Kelly) and one for development (Jenkins), along with the much needed power bat in Adams, that deal is certainly worth consideration. Sadly, it wouldn't be a deal that would be acceptable.. primarily due to the projection of the player involved..

Why the sadness?. The major issue in this proposed trade come from Joe Kelly. After watching how he's been developed & how he approaches his game, you can see that he has a major league arm, commands the strike zone and will contribute, but, not as a starter. When you evaluate him for his stuff, his secondary offerings (after his sinking fastball) are mediocre / average. He is much more suited to becoming an RP with his ceiling being a back of the pen primary set up man on a good team/veteran team or a closer.

He should not be a starter.. If the choice was Lance Lynn, then no question about it.. he'd be a fine choice and projects as a middle of the rotation starter with a limited, but, impressive ceiling. There would be no issues with Lance Lynn as one of the players involved in this trade....

Now, onto Tyrell Jenkins.. First off, he can and should be a starter, however, he won't be ready to contribute at the ML level for quite some time. He's too far away from being relevant to be considered for a trade. At present, because he is SOOO raw, he could only be considered a "throw in". The Cardinals would NEVER throw a guy like this into a trade (at least I don't think they would, and, tbh, they shouldn't).. Jenkins has too much upside to be tossed away like that.. The biggest issue with Jenkins is the amount of time it's going to take to get him ready.. For this reason, he should be excluded..

Matt Adams is a perfect fit for what the Indians want and who the Cardinals are inclined to move in a trade. In short, he'd be a welcome addition in trade if the other part(s) were amenable to both clubs..

So, your trade wouldn't work if Tyrell Jenkins was included. Not because Jenkins isn't a talent that is needed/desired, he's just too much of a risk for the Indians to take on..and has too much upside for the Cardinals to include. Someone else, or, a change to the trade is warranted..

Onto the "purposed" trade (yeah, IDK what that word is, either): The trade proposed with Vinnie Pestano and Fancisco Lindor along with Asdrubal offered the Cards with what has been stated by Moz:

"...we are looking for a solution to the SS position for 2013 and several years following...."

The addition of Asdrubal Cabrera cover the 2013 and 2014 season allowing Lindor the time needed to be readied for MLB.. He could then be a part of the keystone combination of Lindor to Wong. That kind of DP combination is almost worth the price of admission.. It would be sort of like Ozzie Smith and Tommy Herr.. or Omar Vizquel and Robbie Alomar.. Francisco Lindor would cover any time subsequent to then for the Cardinals and give them, essentially, 8 years, perhaps more, control w/ an All Star SS and one of the best SS prospects in MiLB not named Profar (who is unavailable).

-Vinnie Pestano is considered one of the best if not THEE best set up pitchers in the American League. He's young, under control and could become the Cardinals' Chris Perez, a "lights out" "Game Over" shutdown closer. Just like the indians got from the Cardinals (along with Jess Todd) a few years back. This would be a kind of pay back..

BTW.. for those that think an elite SS is just as easy to find, develop and be successful in baseball as a corner OF'er like Oscar Taveras.. You're kidding yourself.. Open up your eyes.. smell the coffee..

[mervinout]

It's going to have to be a team like the Nationals/Mariners that have a insanely deep farm system. I believe the Marlins have him making dirt money for another 3 years so your going to have to enjoy being raped to get him. Like a Taijuan Walker, Jesus Montero, James Paxton and a couple other prospects.

I do not believe the marlins would take any player with 3 or more years experience in the bigs for salary reasons.

Also I see zero chance of the Marlins trading him.

[Raps08-09 Champ]

BJ's need to trade the rest of their prospects for him.

[mark1125]

Insert my team _______ will get Stanton for 3 B rated prospects and a backup catcher.

[torontosports10]

Rangers, Nationals, Cards and Mariners are probably the teams that have the assests to get it done now, as well as it make sense for them (not in a full re-build like the Mets).

[North Yorker]

No way they trade him in division to the Nats, unless it's a ridiculous package with Harper in it or something.

[jej]

Taveras is better regardless of the position.

Plus giving up a back end starter/reliever (Kelly), a #3/4 type (Garcia or Westbrook), a #3/2 starter (Lynn), a 1B with a lot of potential who was a fairly highly rated spec (Adams) and a great bench bat/potential starter (?) in Carpenter.

Awful deal for the Cards. Take out Jaime/Westbrook and Taveras and maybe.

[jej]

It's going to have to be a team like the Nationals/Mariners that have a insanely deep farm system. I believe the Marlins have him making dirt money for another 3 years so your going to have to enjoy being raped to get him. Like a Taijuan Walker, Jesus Montero, James Paxton and a couple other prospects.

I do not believe the marlins would take any player with 3 or more years experience in the bigs for salary reasons.

Also I see zero chance of the Marlins trading him.

What would they do with Montero? There is no DH.

If they want Walker, Montero, Paxton + 2 more specs, then they may as well not even listen. No one player is worth that much.

Id do Walker, Franklin and Paxton/Maurer and that's about it. Maybe Romero in there as well if they toss something small back. But that wouldn't happen

[torontosports10]

What would they do with Montero? There is no DH.

If they want Walker, Montero, Paxton + 2 more specs, then they may as well not even listen. No one player is worth that much.

Id do Walker, Franklin and Paxton/Maurer and that's about it. Maybe Romero in there as well if they toss something small back. But that wouldn't happen

Walker,Montero,Paxton and a lower legal spec is what I would demand.


I forgot the Cards earlier as well, they have the assets to get Stanton as well

[Young2Kinsler]

Insert my team _______ will get Stanton for 3 B rated prospects and a backup catcher.

I know Stanton is far fetched at this point, but I do think there are teams out there with the farm to get it done. People will always make lowball offers on here because they are under educated on their own farms. As for Texas making an offer, here is what I come up with...

Jurickson Profar, Mike Olt, Martin Perez, Justin Grimm, and Engle Beltre

If Texas were willing to offer that, which I think they should be, then I don't see many teams topping that.

[sager729]

I know this thread was started quite a while ago but...
This is what I would like to see the Red Sox do to finish out their winter...

Trade Salty(C) to Chic.WS for A.Rios(RF)
Trade Bailey,Aceves,Nava for Detroit's Porcello(SP) or Smyly(SP)
Trade Lester & Ellsbury+, to Seattle for E.Ramirez(SP) and possibly J.Smoak(1st base) if we dont get either Jones or Sanchez in the Hanrahan trade.

That would give the Sox 2 young pitchers, a power hitting RF, a backup 1stbasemen/OF ( assuming Napoli signs), on top of the Closer we're about to acquire.
Starting rotation: 1.Buchholz, 2.Ramirez, 3.Doubront, 4.Dempster, 5.Porcello/Smyly, 6.Lackey(trade bait once healthy).
Lineup: 1.Victorino, 2.Pedroia, 3.Ortiz, 4.Rios, 5.Middlebrooks, 6.Napoli/, 7.Gomes, 8.Ross(C), 9.Drew

This made me laugh out loud. What a terrible trade for the White Sox. Why on earth would the White Sox do this deal?

[sager729]

The White Sox and Red Sox don't match up very well in a trade.

[sager729]

Hey Jeffy, do you think the White Sox and Cards could match up in a deal for Matt Carpenter?

[jej]

Walker,Montero,Paxton and a lower legal spec is what I would demand.


I forgot the Cards earlier as well, they have the assets to get Stanton as well

Wouldn't do it. And anyway, where would Montero play?

[mervinout]

Wouldn't do it. And anyway, where would Montero play?

It's not like Mike Piazza was a great catcher.