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    At Least Now It's Official!!

    http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/news/art...s_nym&c_id=nym

    NEW YORK -- This was never supposed to be a one-year process.

    When Sandy Alderson took over as Mets general manager in October 2010, he outlined a plan to generate long-term payroll flexibility while keeping the club as competitive as possible in the short term. It hasn't been an easy task to achieve, and heading into this offseason, Alderson is still working on creating the type of payroll structure he needs to build the Mets back into perennial contenders.

    Alderson took over a budget over $140 million, then spent the next year lopping off almost a third of that through trades and departing free agents. But plenty of expensive parts remain on the roster in left-hander Johan Santana (due $25.5 million next season), Jason Bay ($16 million) and others.

    Those two monster contracts come off the books next winter, which should move Alderson significantly closer to the type of payroll flexibility he desires. Until then, the GM has made it clear that he does not intend to undermine his long-term strategy by investing heavily in the free-agent market.

    "We really have not been able to be involved significantly in the free-agent market," Alderson said last month. "We certainly have brought in players on a free-agent basis. But in terms of significant acquisitions, it's somewhat limited. I can see that changing -- perhaps not immediately, but somewhere in the near term."

    Meanwhile, Alderson will keep busy -- both exploring trades and attempting to extend the contracts of David Wright and R.A. Dickey, whose contracts expire after next season. He will also look to free agency for help in the outfield, at catcher and in the bullpen.

    But do not expect a free-agent bonanza this winter for the Mets, who will continue to exercise caution while they wait for their homegrown talent to develop. Alderson is not against splurging, but he does rely on the concept of prudence. So with a stagnant payroll and no significant contracts coming off the books this winter, there is simply not much opportunity for him to spend.

    This winter will instead be one of subtleties for Alderson, whose top priorities -- Wright and Dickey -- are in-house.


    Players can start signing with other clubs after midnight ET on Friday.

    Contract issues
    Free agents: SS Ronny Cedeno, OF Scott Hairston, C Kelly Shoppach, RHP Jon Rauch, RHP Ramon Ramirez, RHP Chris Young, LHP Tim Byrdak

    Eligible for arbitration: C Josh Thole, 1B Ike Davis, 2B Daniel Murphy, OF Andres Torres, RHP Mike Pelfrey, RHP Bobby Parnell, RHP Manny Acosta

    Contract options: Wright ($16 million team option), Dickey ($5 million team option)

    Non-tender possibilities: Torres, Pelfrey, Acosta

    Areas of need
    Outfield: The Mets have question marks at every outfield position, with all three starting jobs up for grabs. They will need to acquire at least two outfielders to replace Torres, a presumptive non-tender; and Hairston, who will likely leave via free agency. In an ideal world, the Mets would trade for or sign a power-hitting starting outfielder, though they may ultimately balk at the price tag.

    Catcher: There's a slim chance the Mets could non-tender Thole, though it doesn't seem likely -- considering his knowledge of the pitching staff and relatively small expected arbitration raise. But even with Thole back in the fold, the Mets need to acquire a right-handed-hitting catcher to complement him; they were displeased with Mike Nickeas' hitting in 2012 and less than thrilled with Shoppach.

    Bullpen: Last winter's bullpen makeover didn't work, with Frank Francisco, Rauch and Ramirez all struggling to varying degrees. Of that bunch, only Francisco will be back, setting the Mets up for a second straight bullpen splurge in free agency.

    2013 payroll
    This year's payroll maxed out right around $100 million, and the Mets expect to be in that neighborhood again in 2013. It's a significant chunk of change -- about average for an MLB team. But with $72 million of that already committed to six players -- and arbitration raises due to Thole, Davis, Murphy and Parnell -- it leaves Alderson with little wiggle room for his offseason machinations.
    Nothing new of any significance but at least they aren't hiding the fact that this is going to be a very slow offseason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/news/art...s_nym&c_id=nym



    Nothing new of any significance but at least they aren't hiding the fact that this is going to be a very slow offseason.
    Here's my shocked face

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    Those two monster contracts come off the books next winter, which should move Alderson significantly closer to the type of payroll flexibility he desires. Until then, the GM has made it clear that he does not intend to undermine his long-term strategy by investing heavily in the free-agent market.

    "We really have not been able to be involved significantly in the free-agent market," Alderson said last month. "We certainly have brought in players on a free-agent basis. But in terms of significant acquisitions, it's somewhat limited. I can see that changing -- perhaps not immediately, but somewhere in the near term."

    Last edited by Vintage; 10-29-2012 at 04:19 PM.

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    For all this waiting they are making us do, they better have something in mind for 2014.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    For all this waiting they are making us do, they better have something in mind for 2014.
    That will go by the waist side when they sign bums like Cabrera and whatever other cheat they can wrangle up.

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    CF Melky Cabrera
    SS Ruben Tejada
    3B David Wright
    1B Ike Davis
    RF Lucas Duda
    2B Daniel Murphy
    LF Jason Bay
    C Miguel Olivo

    Book it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vintage View Post
    CF Melky Cabrera
    SS Ruben Tejada
    3B David Wright
    1B Ike Davis
    RF Lucas Duda
    2B Daniel Murphy
    LF Jason Bay
    C Miguel Olivo

    Book it.
    Olivo always passes on us. I do believe the Mets made offers to him in the past and he goes another route. The Mets will be the only franchise dumb enough to persue Cabrera. Sign Mota while you're at it so you can have one guy practically suspended the entire season and the other suspended 100 games. Well worth the benjamins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SILVER SEAVER View Post
    Olivo always passes on us. I do believe the Mets made offers to him in the past and he goes another route. The Mets will be the only franchise dumb enough to persue Cabrera. Sign Mota while you're at it so you can have one guy practically suspended the entire season and the other suspended 100 games. Well worth the benjamins.
    Yorvit Torrealba, Andruw Jones, and Octavio Dotel. That's who we should be targeting

    Rock this sh--t Omar Minaya style.
    Last edited by Vintage; 10-29-2012 at 04:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vintage View Post
    Those two monster contracts come off the books next winter, which should move Alderson significantly closer to the type of payroll flexibility he desires. Until then, the GM has made it clear that he does not intend to undermine his long-term strategy by investing heavily in the free-agent market.

    "We really have not been able to be involved significantly in the free-agent market," Alderson said last month. "We certainly have brought in players on a free-agent basis. But in terms of significant acquisitions, it's somewhat limited. I can see that changing -- perhaps not immediately, but somewhere in the near term."


    Will it though? I'm not buying it. If they resign DW and RA, keep hold of Niese and bearing in mind the buyouts for Johan and Bay, that's over $40M, with THREE players on the roster.

    Trade RA? Ok, that's still over $30M spent with TWO players paid for....

    It does not add up at all.

    If you look at FA 2014, it's garbage, and that pool of talent will only diminish further as teams trade away or resign their soon-to-be FA's.


    This time next year, they'll be spinning 2015 as the year we contend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vintage View Post
    Yorvit Torrealba, Andruw Jones, and Octavio Dotel. That's who we should be targeting
    Here are your 2013 New York Turds

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    This organization blows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MetsFanatic19 View Post
    This organization blows.

    A complete waste of everyone's time. If it were horse they would shoot it.

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    This is not fair criticism of the Mets brand. It is not completely useless.

    For example, today I used an old Mets pullover with a hoodie to go outside and get some errands done during the early Hurricane Sandy invasion of DC Metro. It was much better than having an umbrella snapped by the 50 mph wind gusts.

    Quite useful.
    Go Grab My Belt

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    If Alderson were a wind he would never get past the measurement on the wind scale equal to a fart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GottaBelieve View Post
    This is not fair criticism of the Mets brand. It is not completely useless.

    For example, today I used an old Mets pullover with a hoodie to go outside and get some errands done during the early Hurricane Sandy invasion of DC Metro. It was much better than having an umbrella snapped by the 50 mph wind gusts.

    Quite useful.
    Did everyone giggle when they saw the logo on the hoodie?

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