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  1. #61
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    Pujols was a near 10 WAR player once in his career. He was consistently great, but if I'm beginning a team, it's Bonds easily.

  2. #62
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    Looking at it today:

    Bonds (86-00) 165 OPS+, 111.1 WAR (9141 PA)
    Pujols (01-15) 161 OPS+, 99.7 WAR (9693 PA)

    Neutralized:
    BB: .295/.418/.577
    AP: .318/.403/.591

    Bonds started juicing in 99 reportedly, so this is 1041 PAs of the sample. If you really hold that against him you can factor it out.

    his neutral line from 86-98 (through 33) .297/.419/.569 vs AP (through 33) .322/.411/.601

    OPS+/ WAR (through 33)
    Bonds: 164/ 99.6 (8100 PA)
    Pujols: 165/ 92.5 (8546 PA)

    Its close both ways, but I'll take Bonds since he was a LF and has less PA.

  3. #63
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    Having to guess when Barry started using PEDs is the reason his legacy is completely shot.


  4. #64
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman View Post
    Having to guess when Barry started using PEDs is the reason his legacy is completely shot.
    Except you have the same problem with every player from his generation.

    Can we stop acting like Barry is the only one, or one of the only one's that used PED's? In either his era or all-time

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    Quote Originally Posted by ben_watson_84 View Post
    Looking at it today:

    Bonds (86-00) 165 OPS+, 111.1 WAR (9141 PA)
    Pujols (01-15) 161 OPS+, 99.7 WAR (9693 PA)

    Neutralized:
    BB: .295/.418/.577
    AP: .318/.403/.591

    Bonds started juicing in 99 reportedly, so this is 1041 PAs of the sample. If you really hold that against him you can factor it out.

    his neutral line from 86-98 (through 33) .297/.419/.569 vs AP (through 33) .322/.411/.601

    OPS+/ WAR (through 33)
    Bonds: 164/ 99.6 (8100 PA)
    Pujols: 165/ 92.5 (8546 PA)

    Its close both ways, but I'll take Bonds since he was a LF and has less PA.
    As much as I love Pujols but even him is not safe from the PED accusations. Now and down the line when the HOF vote comes up.

    So we can never assume as far as who did what and when.


    Masahiro Tanaka 2016 Stats:

    Wins 13 | Losses 4 | 193.2 IPs | 34 Walks | 160 Strikeouts | 2.97 ERA | 1.06 WHIP

  6. #66
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    This is not a debate. Anyone who would say Bonds either is from SF or just has no idea what they're talking about.
    Pujols' is the best hitter in major league baseball since the start of the new millennium with Miggy coming in as a close 2nd.

    Bonds cheated. And while some do suspect Albert may very well have done the same, I do not.
    And in that case, there is no debate. If it wasn't for Bonds and his mega steroid phase, Pujols' would not only have 3 MVP's he would at the very least have another 2-3 more MVP awards.

    What Pujols' did in STL from his rookie year until he left for the Angels will not be matched for a very long time. In his time in STL Alberto managed to break Lou Gehrig's record of 10 straight seasons with a .300+avg/ 30+hrs /100+rbi in consecutive season's.

    The answer is Albert Pujols'.

  7. #67
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    Yeah Pujols is a great great player.

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