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  1. #301
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    Trrue, id go with bartlett if we aren't lloking to over spend. He'd come fairly cheap this year.

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    I just feel like typing what our team might look like in 2014

    C - Molina - 15
    C - Cruz/Anderson - arb
    1B - Craig (est pay - 4 million)
    2B - Wong - arb
    3B - Freese/Carpenter - combined making maybe 5 million
    SS - Garcia - arb, or free agent filler
    LF - Holliday - 17
    CF - Jay - est 3 million
    RF - Taveras - arb
    Util - Carpenter, Jackson, Chambers/Hunter, Romak, Kozma/Garcia, Whittels

    Kind of guessing on Utility players obviously, no idea who could be here at that point

    That combined lineup isn't even over 40 million dollars, and our rotation and bullpen is even cheaper.

    1. Wainwright - 17 million
    2. Garcia - 7.75 million
    3. Miller - arb
    4. Rosenthall - arb
    5. Kelly/Lynn - arb

    Additional options:
    Martinez might be ready, and some say he is top of the rotation caliber
    Wacha, might be ready as well, but he might still be in Memphis at this point
    Gast, he is a back-end lefty, but he is an option.

    You have to think either Kelly or Lynn will be a full time starter, the other stuck in the pen (or Rosenthall I guess)

    I'm assuming we do lock up Wainwright, and I am guessing on that price

    Bullpen
    L - ?
    L - Scrabble - 1 million
    R - Salas - 1 million
    R - Sanchez - arb
    R - Boggs - 1.5 million
    R - ?
    Closer - Motte - 5 million

    At most, what, 35 million?

    We have to add a lefty reliever, and we could afford to pay a decent set up guy over Boggs if we chose to (but there is really no reason, we have soo many arms that can pitch out of the pen) There is no need to spend money on the rotation.

    We basically have close to 40 million that can be spent, and all we need is a shortstop. Wong and Taveras could bust certainly, hell Craig could regress, so money could be spent well on some good bench players, and a good shortstop, but that's really it.

    At this point, 2014, Andrus and Cabrera will both be free agents fwiw.

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    Anyone like the idea of Rolen?

    he could spot start for Freese and his defense is still levels above Freese's so he could come in late in games instead of putting Descalso there.. save descalso's D for 2B or SS late in games. Plus he's still got a little pop, which our bench desperately needs

    have an IF of Freese, Rolen, Furcal, Descalso, Carpenter, Skip, and Craig. having Descalso shifting to SS/2B if need be eliminates the need to have Kozma/Jackson be on the 25 man roster

    just an idea if a solution at SS doesn't work out. Might as well strengthen the hot corner

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tkais9009 View Post
    Anyone like the idea of Rolen?

    he could spot start for Freese and his defense is still levels above Freese's so he could come in late in games instead of putting Descalso there.. save descalso's D for 2B or SS late in games. Plus he's still got a little pop, which our bench desperately needs

    have an IF of Freese, Rolen, Furcal, Descalso, Carpenter, Skip, and Craig. having Descalso shifting to SS/2B if need be eliminates the need to have Kozma/Jackson be on the 25 man roster

    just an idea if a solution at SS doesn't work out. Might as well strengthen the hot corner
    He retired, didn't he?

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    its not official, though pretty possible

    I can see him going back to the Reds or us though. Making an offer wouldn't hurt IMO

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    It wouldn't hurt but honestly I think he'll retire, it will also depend on price. Not really interested in rolen for over like 2.5 million.

    Freese finished most games last year I don't think he's an issue finishing his games now. He seems healthy and while rolen is an improvement defensively my issue is he hasn't played other positions. That bothers me a little because of how our bench is set up, almost everyone plays multiple positions. Can we afford to just keep a old third basemen on roster? I think we could but it could be hard to get a guy like Descalso playing time. I'm assuming Carpenter will win the starting 2B job, I see no reason to rush Wong.

    On our bench that would leave:

    Cruz C/1B righty
    Skip (said they are open to trading him) RF/CF/LF lefty
    Descalso 1B/2B/3B/SS lefty

    We need a back up SS and a 5th outfielder to replace Robinson. I think from what they are saying that's a goal.

    Another option could be replace furcal with another starter and have him split some time at SS and 2B so with rolen that would give us

    Descalso
    Skip
    Rolen
    Right handed outfielder
    Back up shortstop
    Cruz

    So it could work if we gave up the outfielder and went with skip as the 4th outfielder at all positions and rolen was our right handed power off the bench bat.

    So I think there is definately something to the idea but I think he'll retire

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    As far as back up shortstops go, Unless we make a trade I have a strong feeling Jason Bartlett is our man.

    There really aren't any outfielders I like for our needs. Maybe a trade will be needed for that.

    Ryan Spilborghs is available, he's an interesting cheap name to say the least. Foot issue killed his defense but a decent bench bat and can play the outfield, has some power

    Hardly any power but can play the outfield and is a good pinch hitter is reed Johnson who is available.

    Just throwing some names out since it sounds like the club wants to upgrade the bench and get a right handed outfielder.

    Someone who I'm not interested in but is cheap is marlon Byrd coming off steroid suspension
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    One thing, is that if we did manage to trade Adams, and Rolen could be had relatively cheap, there is nothing wrong with letting Freese back up at first, or start there for someone like Rolen at third occassionally.

    Of course, Craig and Carpenter deserve that over him.


    Honestly though, if Freese can't play third, then Carpenter and Descalso both can, and they are our two second basemen. So we are pretty much set.

    But he fits our profile in every other way.

    I don't know who the shortstop for 2013 needs to be, but I don't feel too safe about Furcal. I usually have a strong suggestion for someone in particular, but I don't at short. Bartlett I guess is the best option, and it isn't an attractive option.


    One trade idea I have though, Matt Adams for Rex Brothers. Colorado is going to be needing a first basemen here soon, and while Brothers is valuable, he isn't as valuable as a starting first basemen would be. And he is under cost control for 4 more years, is young, and absolutely owns lefties like a badass.

    No idea if Colorado would take this, they might need more, but lefty specialists don't cost much, and shouldn't.

    I'd do it though.

    As for shortstop, there just isn't much out there, and the guys I would want will cost too much. I guess Bartlett is the best realistic option, but we can certainly do better there.

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    In the world of adding a right handed bench bat, it would be ideal to find someone that is capable of playing center field and can do all of the above.

    Sit Jay sometimes, or a late inning pinch hitter to face a lefty. You like the option of someone in center if possible, since Beltran can't really do that any longer.

    Reed Johnson fits, but he isn't a hitter worth anything, just defensive awesomeness.


    Grady Sizemore would be a great asset to land, but he'll want the chance to start, and probably more money promised than he is worth, and he is left handed.



    The best fit, although he can't play center, is probably Jeff Baker. He can play several positions, crushes lefties, and primarily, can really help at second base as an additional option, and a right handed bat for that position.


    Baker would be a good choice, then see if we can land someone like Brothers, Collins, whoever (a young, cost controlled lefty) and then find a solution at short ideally.

    Three moves, and then lock up Wainwright, and it's an awesome off-season for a 90 win team

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    According to Mo Furcal is completely healed and expected to be 100% go by spring training.

    Not sure I believe that. Still need a capable back up. Willing to bet he goes on DL at least once

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skippy15 View Post
    As far as back up shortstops go, Unless we make a trade I have a strong feeling Jason Bartlett is our man.

    There really aren't any outfielders I like for our needs. Maybe a trade will be needed for that.

    Ryan Spilborghs is available, he's an interesting cheap name to say the least. Foot issue killed his defense but a decent bench bat and can play the outfield, has some power

    Hardly any power but can play the outfield and is a good pinch hitter is reed Johnson who is available.

    Just throwing some names out since it sounds like the club wants to upgrade the bench and get a right handed outfielder.

    Someone who I'm not interested in but is cheap is marlon Byrd coming off steroid suspension

    Spilborghs didnt even appear in the big leagues last season. Will be 33 at start of next season.. Dont know if he has anything left..

    No reason why Mo cant find a decent RH 4th OF.. Skip proly has to get traded..

    Mo still needs to find loogy and SS help..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teufelshunde4 View Post
    Spilborghs didnt even appear in the big leagues last season. Will be 33 at start of next season.. Dont know if he has anything left..

    No reason why Mo cant find a decent RH 4th OF.. Skip proly has to get traded..

    Mo still needs to find loogy and SS help..
    Hit .295 with Texas in AAA. .362 OBP, 8 homers. I'd say he still has something left to offer in a limited roll for the price he will come at. In Texas he just had no where to play.

    Wasn't in Cleveland's system long. Don't see why he couldn't add something just because he didnt play in the majors in 2012, only 33

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    he was pretty terrible in 2011

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    He was.

    But like I said, looking at cheap, pinch hitting right handed options he's out there in a limited market.

    If he bounces back we would have a solid player on the bench. If he's bad in spring training we release him and use Shane Robinson who isn't much better.

    Like I said he's not perfect at all but he has power potential, not big power but enough he can come off the bench and be a threat. He plays outfield and he's an extremely low risk and a possible high reward of a bench player.

    Not like we are depending on him as a future of the organization

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    i'd take him on a minor league contract for sure, but nothing more than that

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