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    NBA ReDraft Playoffs ECF Finals: 1) Santa Monica vs. 6) Baltimore

    Welcome to the 2012 NBA ReDraft voting process. The redraft is exactly how it sounds. The rosters of every NBA team are cleared and then drafted again from scratch. Posters from the site draft full rosters under a salary cap and then there is a voting process to make the playoffs. We are now in the playoffs and the head to head matchups have begun. Please remember to vote for the roster and write-up you believe would win a 7 game series. Also remember that every player is considered as healthy for these playoffs. Thank you and enjoy the playoffs!

    Santa Monica:
    C: Joakim Noah (36) | Aaron Gray (12)
    PF: Dirk Nowitzki (38) | Jared Jeffries (10)
    SF: Tayshaun Prince (28) | Luc Richard Mbah a Moute (20)
    SG: Eric Gordon (36) | Jerryd Bayless ( 12)
    PG: Isaiah Thomas (34) | Jerryd Bayless (14)

    Baltimore:
    PG: Jarrett Jack(25) - D.J. Augustin(23)
    SG: Manu Ginobili(35) - Evan Turner(8) - Marquis Daniels(3) - Jarrett Jack(2)
    SF: Jeff Green(26) - Evan Turner(22) - Austin Daye
    PF: Luis Scola(34) - Ivan Johnson(14) - Josh McRoberts
    C: Tyson Chandler(35) - Reggie Evans(13) - Josh McRoberts


    Santa Monica Writeup
    First off, we’d like to congratulate unleashthebeast and Jets for making it this far. Both GM’s did an excellent job. We wish them the best of luck.

    Three facts we want you to know:
    1. Isaiah Thomas’s numbers as a starter-
    14.2 points, 5.2 assists, 3 rebounds, 1 steal on 47% FG, 40% 3pt, 83% FT.
    2. Tayshaun Prince is an above average defender:
    He held opponents to a .81 PPP overall (ranked 128) on 35% FG. Also, his opponent PER was 11.4 last season which is well above average with his sample size of defensive opportunities.
    3. Santa Monica’s superior balance-
    We feel we’ve developed a starting 5 that’s perfectly suited to play off each individual’s strength. Eric Gordon thrives in the PnR and being a primary ball-handler as shown by his 1.21 PPP in PnR situations. With this in mind, we wanted a PG who could still create for others, but also thrive in off-the-ball situations to let Gordon maximize his talents. Isaiah Thomas’s ability to stretch the floor allows us for Gordon and Dirk to really thrive together in PnR situations. Not only that, but IT’s ability to create for himself as well as thrive in the PnR was absolutely fantastic. He ranked 24th, in ISO situations and 5th in PnR situations last season which gives us a very unique ability to turn to an IT-Dirk PnR game or an Eric Gordon-Dirk PnR game. It’s another facet that the Baltimore defense will have to account for.

    The real strength of Santa Monica is our bigs duo, Dirk Nowitzki, and Joakim Noah. We confidently feel this is the strongest bigs duo in the redraft and their talents complement each other absolutely perfectly. Dirk will have the freedom of totally being focused on the offensive end with Noah’s ability to rebound at a high rate (18 TRB %) and be a quality defensive anchor. Onto the head to head matchups:

    PG Matchup: Isaiah Thomas | Jerryd Bayless vs. Jarrett Jack | DJ Augustin
    This will be a close matchup, but Santa Monica has a slight edge here. Thomas was phenomenal as a starter for Sacramento and was adept at running the pick and roll. He’s going to keep Jack, who’s giving up a 46.7% FG% on Pick and Rolls, on his heels. Jack isn’t known to be a great defender, and the quickness and versatility of Thomas is sure to give him issues. If you are worrying about Thomas on the defensive end, no need to. The young stud ranked in the top 100 defending isolations, post-ups, and pick and rolls. He should not have issues guarding Jack. Moreover, Isaiah’s team was 7.3 points better when he was on the floor than when he was off the floor. The kid makes a huge impact when he is in the game. If you are worried about inexperience, don’t be. He’s playing with seasoned veterans in Dirk, Noah, and Prince who have been a part of some deep playoff runs. Thomas also will not be going against someone that has more playoff experience than him, as Jack has only been to the playoffs once, which was when he was a backup. Off the bench, Bayless provides phenomenal shooting (42.3% from 3) and good playmaking. He and Isaiah form a very nice offensive PG duo. Augustin on the other hand has been on the decline the last two years, as evident by his piss poor shooting percentages.
    Advantage: Santa Monica

    SG Matchup: Eric Gordon | Jordan Hamilton vs. Manu Ginobili | Evan Turner
    Manu is still a top shooting guard who is one of the more clutch players in the league. The question has never been about his talent, but about his health. Manu has had great trouble staying healthy the last few years, and Baltimore is relying on Manu to be their top scorer, with no great second option. He doesn’t have Timmy D and Tony like he did in San Antonio to take the load off. Instead he has the offensively limited Tyson Chandler and role players such as Scola, Green, Turner and Jack to defer to. We have put Gordon in the perfect situation, where he is playing with a phenomenal first scoring option and a PG mate who can both create and defer. In addition, Gordon has fared extremely well versus Manu in their matchups the last two seasons:
    Matchup 1:
    Eric Gordon: 23 Pts | 11 Asts | 4 Rbs | 10-17 FGM-FGA | 2 TO | 3-5 FTM-FTA
    Manu Ginobili: 14 Pts | 7 Asts | 2 Rbs | 4-10 FGM-FGA | 3 TO | 5-6 FTM-FTA

    Matchup 2:
    Eric Gordon: 21 Pts | 2 Asts | 6 Rbs | 4 TO | 8-17 FGM-FGA | 2-5 3PM-3PA | 3-3 FTM-FTA
    Manu Ginobili: 15 Pts | 6 Asts | 6 Rbs | 0 TO | 5-15 FGM-FGA | 1-6 3PM-3PA | 4-6 FTM-FTA

    Matchup 3:
    Eric Gordon: 31 Pts | 4 Asts | 2 Rbs | 3 TO | 11-19 FGM-FGA | 2-7 3PM-3PA | 7-8 FTM-FTA
    Manu Ginobili: 14 Pts | 4 Asts | 2 Rbs | 3 TO | 5-6 FGM-FGA | 2-2 3PM-3PA | 2-2 FTM-FTA

    This poses two questions: how much of an advantage does Manu acutally have? And can Manu consistently play 35+ minutes per game as the number one option when he’s averaged more than 30 minutes per game only twice in his career?
    Slight Advantage: Baltimore

    SF Matchup: Tayshaun Prince | Luc Richard Mbah a Moute vs. Jeff Green | Evan Turner
    A couple years ago, Green would have had the advantage. However, we have not seen Green play in a regular season or postseason game in over a year. We have no idea how good Green will be coming off his heart surgery. Prince provides solid defense, rebounding, 3 point shooting and leadership for this squad. He will be able to limit Green, and add about 10-12 points per game. We can also bring Luc off the bench, a player that provides fantastic defense, hustle, rebounding, and versatility. Turner is a nice backup for the question-mark Jeff Green, but he is still very inefficient on the offensive end and very raw.
    Advantage: Santa Monica

    PF Matchup: Dirk Nowitzki | Jared Jeffries vs. Luis Scola | Ivan Johnson
    This is the difference maker in the series. The matchups at PG, SG, SF, and C are all relatively close. But this matchup has domination written all over it. Luis Scola isn’t a great defender, and Dirk is still a great offensive player. Dirk is still only one year removed from an epic finals run, leading his team past the Miami Heat. The one huge difference between this season and last season for the Mavericks was having a defensive anchor down low to play next to Dirk, and we have given him a top center who can basically do it all. Dirk had a slow start to the shortened season, but he still was one of the most efficient players in the game in the regular and postseason. He sported a 56% TS% in the regular season and had a superb first round, scoring 27 PPG while getting to the line 10.5 times with a 56% TS%. He did this versus a great defender in Serge Ibaka, so I highly doubt that Luis Scola will be able to limit Dirk here. Off the bench, Jeffries does all the little things a team needs like take chargers, fight for loose balls, and set good picks.
    Advantage: Santa Monica

    C Matchup: Joakim Noah | Aaron Gray vs. Tyson Chandler | Reggie Evans
    This is a very close matchup once again Noah and Tyson are both great rebounders and very good help defenders. Tyson is a better defender, but he is best suited going against a Dwight Howard or Andrew Bynum because those guys are physically Imposing in the post and Tyson is great at using his body to defend them. Chandler is a very good help defender as well, but he won’t be able to leave Noah open, as Noah has a solid offensive game. Noah can hit the mid-range shot and is a threat to score on offense (56.1 TS%, ranked 80th in the Pick and Roll, 84th in the post up, 68th cutting, and 33rd in transition). Leaving Noah open to defer shots of Gordon, Dirk and IT will not only result in an open Joakim Noah, but also possible foul trouble. On defnse, Tyson does not have a very good post game, rather he relies on scoring on alley-oops and scoring off of rebounds. Noah is a smart defender and a very good rebounder, so obviously we won’t be seeing Tyson explode this series. If Tyson does get into foul trouble, Evans will be manning the paint, and though he is a good energy player, he’s not a defensive anchor. Our offense would be able to score at will with Tyson off the floor.
    Advantage: Draw

    In this matchup, we have four very close positional matchups, and one extremely lopsided one, which gives Santa Monica the clear edge. Baltimore has had a very nice run making it to the ECF, but the Cinderella story ends here. Having nobody to contain Dirk and having an injury plagued and aging number one option spells trouble for Baltimore. With HCA, a high powered offense and above average defense, Santa Monica takes this in 5 or 6 games.
    Baltimore writeup
    Offensive Philosophy:
    Offensively we believe we are going to have a balanced unit. Our whole offense is set around Manu Ginobili, who is our #1 option. Manu Ginobili is one of the most efficient scorers in the NBA. The main component of our offense will be Manu and Scola pick and rolls, and pick and pops, which will be a deadly combination considering how great both of these players are in these areas. The Euro-Style offensive skillsets that Scola and Manu possess is a perfect match to frustrate the opposition. Dirk nor Eric Gordon are great defenders so we expect Scola and Manu to have a strong game. Manu is also proven to be a great distributor. At times, Manu will bring the ball down and run the offense. That is why we believe we have the perfect guard to compliment him in Jarrett Jack. Jack has always been a combo guard. He is a great scorer and is coming off of career highs averaging nearly 16 points a game. He also transformed into a great passer this year. He had his highest assist percentage in his career and averaged around 7 per game this year. He became a great leader on the Hornets this year, and the fact that he will be able to compliment our stars, rather than be our star, will make him much more successful. Adding another capable starting point guard in DJ Augustin off the bench is one of our strengths as well, considering his contrast to Jack, with DJ being a very quick and speedy point guard, with both a scoring and passing ability. With an unproven Isiah Thomas on both of them, we believe that we have the advantage. We believe that a Jack/Ginobili backcourt is one of the best fits in the whole Re-Draft, and the platoon of Jack and Augustin will be very successful.

    Our frontcourt is also full of players that complement each other perfectly. Tyson Chandler is might not be a terrific point scorer, but his efficiency is off the charts hitting nearly 70% of his field goals. It would be stupid for other teams to not be concerned with that. We will keep Chandler right around the rim and in the post so he can grab offensive rebounds and put back up shots. This will give our power forward, Luis Scola, room to work with. Scola has one of the best mid range jump shots at his position. He will get many looks with Tyson demanding attention in the post. We honestly believe that the high-low capabilities of a Chandler-Scola combination is unmatched in this redraft, and the ability to run Chandler through the pick and roll as well as Scola both through the P&R and P&P will be very difficult for Milsap and foul-prone Hibbert to handle, with Manu leading the helm on those plays. At SF, Turner and Green will split the time. Evan Turner is a crafty young player who has really been coming to his own in Philadelphia. Turner has been taking on a bigger role consistently throughout his career, and with him being a 6th man on this offense he will not be overwhelmed and will be able to play to his capabilities. Jeff Green also seems to be a forgotten commodity by the casual NBA fan. A healthy Jeff Green put up very solid numbers in OKC and Boston. He will be a very solid offensive option. Even though our team does not consist of many offensive big names, everyone balances well with each other to give us a tough offense to guard.

    Bench:
    Santa Monica does not have a quality bench player on their whole team. None of their back ups made a significant impact on their respective teams this year. Do they plan on playing each of their starters 40 minutes a game? We have a starting quality SG and PG coming off our bench with Turner and Augustine. We add a great rebounder in Reggie Evans and Ivan Johnson who played big minutes off the bench for Atlanta this post season.

    Defensive Philosophy:

    Dirk Nowitzki has been a great player, there is no doubt about that. BUT, we are the team with one of the best possible player in the league to make Dirk appear average on the offensive end, and that player is the reigning defensive player of the year, Tyson Chandler. The impact that Tyson Chandler has on the defensive end is tremendous, and he will only have one job in this series: stopping Dirk. Noah does not have much of an offensive game so we think that having Scola on him will not hurt us. Sure, Thomas is ok, but we have a pretty good defender on him in Jarrett Jack. Prince is average at best on offense, and Gordon has not been able to stay healthy his entire career. Turner off the bench should be able to slow him down. Tyson will be in the game whenever Dirk is in the game, and he will sub out whenever Dirk is out. He is going to follow Dirk the entire game. Shoot, if Dirk has to take a bathroom break at some point during the game, Tyson will be right at his side staying with him the entire game. Tyson will be shadowing Dirk throughout this series, and with the reigning defensive player of the year covering their main offensive playmaker, we have to say that we like our chances on this side of the court. Tyson has also proved that he has even had success defending players that can spread the floor (see Bosh).
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    Sorry guys I have been so incredibly busy. I will get more extensive later, buy just a note that Tyson will be covering dirk. The dpoy will be just fine against dirk, and Avila can handle the offensively challenged Noah
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    Tyson guarding Dirk is interesting.

    I will reserve my vote until I hear a rebuttal from Santa Monica on that matchup

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    Baltimore is the worst conference finals team I've ever seen. I give the GMs credit for getting that roster further than they ever should have.

    Santa Monica takes this easily.

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    Few things:

    -Tyson Chandler is a terrific "efficiency scorer" but Noah is offensively challenged? They are essentially the same offensive player with Noah having jumper.

    -We for one welcome Tyson on Dirk. Tyson cannot guard spot-up shooters to save his life (1.08 PPP, 322 rank, allowed 48% FG) and Dirk is one of the best in the business at just that. Tyson will have to honor Dirk's range and we're extremely comfortable letting IT, Bayless and EG penetrate against a now horrible interior defensive presence of Luis Scola. Not to mention, with Tyson away from the basket on defense, Noah will have free reign to control offensive glass and very likely exceed his rebounding and scoring totals in this series.

    Tyson now has a far lesser impact on the series because he's 1. Away from the basket and cannot alter shots. 2. Cannot keep Noah off the offensive glass if he's chasing Dirk everwhere and 3. Still has to defend a top 5 offensive player and the most versatile scorer in the NBA with staying out of foul trouble
    Last edited by The_Jamal; 10-21-2012 at 04:27 PM.
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    Cinderella story ends here for baltimore

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Jamal View Post
    Few things:

    -Tyson Chandler is a terrific "efficiency scorer" but Noah is offensively challenged? They are essentially the same offensive player with Noah having jumper.

    -We for one welcome Tyson on Dirk. Tyson cannot guard spot-up shooters to save his life (1.08 PPP, 322 rank, allowed 48% FG) and Dirk is one of the best in the business at just that. Tyson will have to honor Dirk's range and we're extremely comfortable letting IT, Bayless and EG penetrate against a now horrible interior defensive presence of Luis Scola. Not to mention, with Tyson away from the basket on defense, Noah will have free reign to control offensive glass and very likely exceed his rebounding and scoring totals in this series.

    Tyson now has a far lesser impact on the series because he's 1. Away from the basket and cannot alter shots. 2. Cannot keep Noah off the offensive glass if he's chasing Dirk everwhere and 3. Still has to defend a top 5 offensive player and the most versatile scorer in the NBA with staying out of foul trouble
    I honestly cannot imagine a worse matchup for Tyson Chandler than having to guard Dirk and leave Luis Scola protecting the rim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KnicksorBust View Post
    I honestly cannot imagine a worse matchup for Tyson Chandler than having to guard Dirk and leave Luis Scola protecting the rim.
    Yep. Baltimore is doing us a favor by letting a free penetration at the rim, Noah controlling the offensive glass, and Tyson being well out of his comfort zone by having to guard Dirk all over the floor.
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    Well u don't exactly have any penetrators that would make us worry about placing Tyson on Dirk
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    Quote Originally Posted by unleashthebeast View Post
    Well u don't exactly have any penetrators that would make us worry about placing Tyson on Dirk
    IT and Gordon aren't penetrators? News to me.

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    We believe that Jack and ET will be just fine containing both IT and the often-injured Gordon
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    Funny you should bring up the "often-injured" Gordon with Manu on your team
    Quote Originally Posted by Catfish1314 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Jamal View Post
    Funny you should bring up the "often-injured" Gordon with Manu on your team
    And Jeff Green who hasn't played in a year plus

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    End of the cindarella run for Baltimore here. Solid run for UTB though

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    Yeah, I knew this was going to be the end. Pretty proud of getting this far though, starting with like the 25th pick or whatever it was.

    3 straight conference finals feels pretty good, hopefully next time I can start with a top 10 pick and finally take a team over the hump.


    Congrats Rosh and Jamal, you really built one helluva team. I will now be rooting for you in the finals since you knocked me out
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