Luongo will be dealt to Toronto

[Glenfidish]

You listened to Burke boast that he was going for the #1 pick didn't you?

Well he fell on his face after the boasts he made and got stuck with Kadri. There is no way he wanted Kadri.

Cmon man everyone knows burke sings one tune and does another

I would have thought you knew that.

[Glenfidish]

Since when are Kadri and Frattin nothing? Those 2 are among our best prospects and we don't have a bad pool.

You don't need to defend anything the marlies made it to the finals last year and barring major injuries they will be there once again. People just talk up there arce about leafs. You either like them or despise them. Leafs have good prospects.

[Halladay]

I agree with pretty much everything you said. It's good to know that we have leaf fans as knowledgeable as you and that can defend the talk. You make pure sense this coming from a non bias hockey fan. At this point i will reserve further comment as i would not like to get banned from the 40,000 plus post man

Ink won't ban ya, he and I are actually buddies believe it or not.

[Johann]

You don't need to defend anything the marlies made it to the finals last year and barring major injuries they will be there once again. People just talk up there arce about leafs. You either like them or despise them. Leafs have good prospects.

That's where you might be wrong.
Without NHL hockey this year, the NHL youngsters that haven't gone to the KHL are playing in the AHL. Much higher talent than last year.

[Bob Loblaw]

Every GM wants the top pick. Burke tried and failed. Murray also wanted Kadri pretty badly, guess he was panicking too?

Isnt that why Burke took Kadri as a F U to Murray who in the previous draft jumped ahead of Burke to get Karlsson, the guy Burke wanted?

either way its alittle off topic. As a Sens fan i hope this is a bs rumour, Lou in toronto scares me alot more then any of their current roster or farm system.

[homie564]

I don't see how the Canucks get any high value for an overpaid goalie who has been struggling the last couple years.

yes, "struggling" is the perfect term for a goalie who has been just as good or better than his HOF worthy career averages over the past two years.

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I still don't see what the big deal is about Burke wanting the first pick. He made a pretty damn good trade for the Sedins but I guess that didn't work out? Every GM's goal is to try and get better, so what's the problem again?

Mild success....

2009/2010-London Knight 93 points in 56 GP
2010/2011-Toronto Marlies 41 points in 44 GP
2011/2012-Toronto Marlies 40 points in 48 GP

51 NHL games with 19 points.

Please, show me how this is "mild success".

That looks like the profile of a successful AHL player. Problem is, to crack the top 6 of a lineup you need to be much better than that. That was exactly my point. The most common problem in the world for offensive players is that they aren't good enough to crack a top 6 (and definitely not good enough to crack the Canucks top 6, which is THE POINT) and they don't have the grit or the work ethic or the orientation to turn into checkers.

I love this thread

Leafs fans: Luongo isn't even top 10. We shouldn't have to give up anything to get him.
Canucks fans: Luongo is top 3 easily. We want all your top prospects.
Unbiased fans: Luongo is top 5, worthy of a nice package.

Luongo had one of his best years last year. He's available because we have this other guy named Schneider, who just happened to be better. That doesn't suddenly make Luongo garbage. It's a joke how people lose perspective by only reading headlines.

isnt frattin projected to be at best a third liner? i mean a two way third liner is a good player to have but as a prospect i dont see how they hold that much value.

Exactly, and the Canucks don't need third liners. We have those coming out of our ears.

I agree with pretty much everything you said. It's good to know that we have leaf fans as knowledgeable as you and that can defend the talk. You make pure sense this coming from a non bias hockey fan. At this point i will reserve further comment as i would not like to get banned from the 40,000 plus post man

No worries there. Nice self restraint though Glen!

Cmon man everyone knows burke sings one tune and does another

I would have thought you knew that.

He actually just says one thing and then fails at executing it. lol.

Ink won't ban ya, he and I are actually buddies believe it or not.

yes, "struggling" is the perfect term for a goalie who has been just as good or better than his HOF worthy career averages over the past two years.

Thank you. From an unbiased fan, not a Leafs or Canucks fan, just someone who sees that Luongo has actually been stellar. He has not been "struggling". If struggling means winning a gold medal against the best in the world, I'll take it. Last year he was outstanding, and as Pfeifer noted, he played very well in the playoffs. The move to Schneider was more coaching strategy than a benching. AV was trying to light a fire under the ***** of the forwards, not the goalie. It was a team shakeup move.

[Pfeifer]

^exactly this.

[bsi]

That looks like the profile of a successful AHL player. Problem is, to crack the top 6 of a lineup you need to be much better than that. That was exactly my point. The most common problem in the world for offensive players is that they aren't good enough to crack a top 6 (and definitely not good enough to crack the Canucks top 6, which is THE POINT) and they don't have the grit or the work ethic or the orientation to turn into checkers.



Luongo had one of his best years last year. He's available because we have this other guy named Schneider, who just happened to be better. That doesn't suddenly make Luongo garbage. It's a joke how people lose perspective by only reading headlines.



Exactly, and the Canucks don't need third liners. We have those coming out of our ears.



No worries there. Nice self restraint though Glen!



He actually just says one thing and then fails at executing it. lol.







Thank you. From an unbiased fan, not a Leafs or Canucks fan, just someone who sees that Luongo has actually been stellar. He has not been "struggling". If struggling means winning a gold medal against the best in the world, I'll take it. Last year he was outstanding, and as Pfeifer noted, he played very well in the playoffs. The move to Schneider was more coaching strategy than a benching. AV was trying to light a fire under the ***** of the forwards, not the goalie. It was a team shakeup move.

I agree with everything...The only thing holding Vancouver back from winning in the playoffs is the disappearance of the Sedins when the game gets rough. Kesler tried to make up for it the year they lost against Boston but he hurt himself carrying the offense for the first three rounds. None of those years were Luongo's fault, quite the opposite, he kept them in until they finally scored. If Vancouver had of won the cup that year it might have been Luongo who would have won the Conn S trophy. Vancouvers failings don't fall on Luongo's shoulders.

[BlueJayFanDan]

I don't see how the Canucks get any high value for an overpaid goalie who has been struggling the last couple years.

Last couple of years???? He was up for the Vezina in 2010-2011... 2.11 GAA, .928 Save %. If you are going to say something blindly, at least do a little research...Last season was not too shabby either btw. 2.41 GAA, .919 Save %. Not bad numbers at all. He's still a great player. I don't get why some people are too blind to see it.

[Pfeifer]

And he did this on a team that plays wide open. If you look at prob 80% if the times he gets lit up, his defence craps the bed and its a couple quick goals where the back side winger is left wide open because our team could care less about back checking. I like Schneider and think he is the logical choice to go forward but Luongo is still the better goalie by a fair margin in my opinion.

[bsi]

And he did this on a team that plays wide open. If you look at prob 80% if the times he gets lit up, his defence craps the bed and its a couple quick goals where the back side winger is left wide open because our team could care less about back checking. I like Schneider and think he is the logical choice to go forward but Luongo is still the better goalie by a fair margin in my opinion.

I agree Luongo is better right now than Schneider, and if I was a Canucks fan I would be kinda worried about letting him go and banking on Schneider to become Luongo, however Luongo's cap value is keeping Vancouver from adding another top 6 forward to the team or a top4 D man, so the payoff might be worth it. I think everyone just needs a change, it seems as though Vancouver has kinda pegged their losing playoffs on either Luongo or atleast his contract and if Schneider can do the job and they can add someone they might be better off. Having said all that Luongo is still an elite goalie.

[Pfeifer]

You put it perfectly. It's all about what they can add without losing much at the goalie position. They can't really afford not to get immediately help because to be honest, the window is closing very quickly on this team.

[St.Pats'27]

I love this thread

Leafs fans: Luongo isn't even top 10. We shouldn't have to give up anything to get him.
Canucks fans: Luongo is top 3 easily. We want all your top prospects.
Unbiased fans: Luongo is top 5, worthy of a nice package.

As a Leaf fan, I think he's a top ten goalie (not top 5, someone else did a pretty good list with Rask, Rinne, Price, Thomas, oh yeah a guy named Lundquist (sorry on the spelling)) but I also am familiar with the basics of commerce. One (maybe two) destinations and you need to move him? No way you are going to get "fair" market value. Even worse, you are going to need to suck up some salary from the other guy.

Anyways with the lock-out going the way it is, Luongo is going to be 35/36 before hockey starts again....

[Pfeifer]

There are at least four teams interested, Toronto, Chicago, Florida, Edmonton. I would actually like to see him go to the oilers. The package would most likely be the best and I wouldn't mind seeing him as a rival even though that team would be really good really fast.