Lockout Discussion

[bsi]

If you want to make a statement we can arrange for a merchandise burning party outside of each home rink. That should show how angry we are with all this crap.

They'd actually welcome that because when it all starts up again and people forget about this all then you have to go buy more merchandise haha. I think they already know we're upset but they don't see it as stopping us from handing our money over to them. Shut off the flow of money and they'll never end up here again.

[The Top Shelfer]

Cancelling season tickets en masse is the way to make a statement.

I agree, that would be a better alternative. The one presented initially was just silly

[OneManIsNoMan]

Boycott the NHL everyone. Don't buy anything NHL related. I'm planning on watching the games when they are free, but i'm not buying hats, shirts, games, tickets, or anything else hockey related. The only way we can ensure we don't have a lockout again is if we make revenues drop for the next year or so after this lockout. They won't take the fans for granted if they lost even 5% in revenue, but the problem was that we were all too anxious the last time to buy everything when it restarted that revenues actually went up and we created this ourselves. Remember the owners and players are projecting a revenue increase of between 5-7 percent each year. They are that confident that we'll be back they are banking on an increase of revenue. Shut the tap off everyone and this will never happen again I guarantee it!

I don't think the NHL is to worried about that, they already got their money from TV..

After negotiating seriously with ESPN and Turner Sports, the NHL signed a new 10-year television deal that will keep games on NBC and Versus, where they have been for six years.

The deal is worth $2 billion, according to two people with knowledge of the negotiations who could not speak publicly.

[bsi]

I don't think the NHL is to worried about that, they already got their money from TV..

Ya, they got THAT money. But if HRR dropped due to ticket sales, merchandise sales, etc etc, it would definately send a message. The tv deal seems huge but spread out over the entire league it's just a piece of the HRR pie. I'm just ball parking it but I've spent probably in the neighbourhood of about 3000-4000 dollars on the NHL last year. They won't be getting that money out of me next year or the year after, so that's $8000 they'll lose on me because of this. If everyone did the same they'll notice BIG time, and the 5-7% increase in revenue they are banking on will turn into a big decrease in revenue. They'd think twice about putting the NHL in that position again the next lockout.

[fingerbang]

The thing is, if the NHL takes a hit in revenues, there's an even greater incentive to fight for a better deal.

Every single player is losing money by not accepting these proposals. The owners will be around for a very long time. Players don't last long. In six years, every single one of these guys will ask themselves why they sacrificed a year of their salary just to win a percentage point or two in the CBA.

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The thing is, if the NHL takes a hit in revenues, there's an even greater incentive to fight for a better deal.

Every single player is losing money by not accepting these proposals. The owners will be around for a very long time. Players don't last long. In six years, every single one of these guys will ask themselves why they sacrificed a year of their salary just to win a percentage point or two in the CBA.

Gross over simplification.

[bsi]

The thing is, if the NHL takes a hit in revenues, there's an even greater incentive to fight for a better deal.

Every single player is losing money by not accepting these proposals. The owners will be around for a very long time. Players don't last long. In six years, every single one of these guys will ask themselves why they sacrificed a year of their salary just to win a percentage point or two in the CBA.

They'll still fight over it but they will be way less willing to lockout and lose momentum again. Both sides in essence sat around all summer without any urgency to get a deal done. The reason they're all comfortable with the lockout is that the last time when they came back they had record revenues from that day forward. If their revenues took a step backward as a result of the lockout they'd be much less willing to lockout the season and risk damaging their overall revenue.

[fingerbang]

Gross over simplification.

Not really, it's actually pretty simple, the players are fighting for a share that is significantly smaller than the amount of money that they lose by not playing a season. It's financially retarded.

They say they're doing it to make them look stronger in future negotiations. Unfortunately, half the players in the league will be out of it by the time the next negotiations are beginning.

They're basically fighting for Fehr's ego at this point.

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Not really, it's actually pretty simple, the players are fighting for a share that is significantly smaller than the amount of money that they lose by not playing a season. It's financially retarded.

They say they're doing it to make them look stronger in future negotiations. Unfortunately, half the players in the league will be out of it by the time the next negotiations are beginning.

They're basically fighting for Fehr's ego at this point.

No, they're also fighting for specifics like the contracts they already have, and term length, rules surrounding free agency, and a ton of other related issues. Their cut is only part of the equation.

[fingerbang]

Yea, but they're still losing more money than gaining by putting up this fight.

[bsi]

Yea, but they're still losing more money than gaining by putting up this fight.

That's true but if they don't get a decent deal this time then their starting point the next cba is lower.

[fingerbang]

That's true but if they don't get a decent deal this time then their starting point the next cba is lower.

Completely agree but most of the current players in the league won't even be affected by the next negotiation. The average career of an NHL player is really short.

They get to sacrifice a ton of salary and year of their career so that younger players have a better percentage point or two. It absolutely sucks for them and if I was a player, I wouldn't but into this "greater good" bs.

[westhockeytown]

not sure if owners request for a new proposal from players is good or bad. their track record for quick shoot downs is astoundingly discouraging. i can see why this is taking so long. the best thing nhlpa can do is propose a cba that is almost identical to the nhl's last one but a few tweaks in players favor. otherwise a general waste of time and energy on ALL fronts, fans included.

[Illa215]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-pu...7499--nhl.html

Giroux is playing for Eisbären Berlin in Germany during the NHL lockout. He suffered a neck injury on Friday after a check to the head forced him out of a German Elite League game. There was no penalty on the play, and the Polar Bears petitioned the league over the non-call against Krefeld.

On Tuesday, however, the team announced that Giroux is headed back to the U.S. to see a specialist in Atlanta for further tests on his neck, as initial SCAT tests didn't reveal any damage but Giroux continued to feel "unwell," according to Hockeyweb.de.

This lockout is horse ****.

[jrm2054]

not sure if owners request for a new proposal from players is good or bad. their track record for quick shoot downs is astoundingly discouraging. i can see why this is taking so long. the best thing nhlpa can do is propose a cba that is almost identical to the nhl's last one but a few tweaks in players favor. otherwise a general waste of time and energy on ALL fronts, fans included.

Hopefully good