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    STATE DEPT: Negotiations to keep troops in Afghanistan past 2014

    Not surprising......

    Despite statements by Vice President Joe Biden, the State Department is about to begin formal negotiations over the extension of U.S. troops past 2014, a top State Department official said Tuesday.

    Last week, U.S. and Afghan negotiators met in Kabul to talk about the Bilateral Security Agreement that will govern the extension of U.S. troops past 2014, when President Barack Obama said the combat mission in Afghanistan will end and the U.S. will complete the transition of the entire country to Afghan government control.

    Also last week, Biden told Americans during his Oct. 11 debate with Republican vice-presidential nominee Paul Ryan that U.S. troops were leaving Afghanistan by 2014.

    "We are leaving in 2014, period, and in the process, we're going to be saving over the next 10 years another $800 billion," Biden said. "We've been in this war for over a decade. The primary objective is almost completed. Now all we're doing is putting the Kabul government in a position to be able to maintain their own security. It's their responsibility, not America's."

    Marc Grossman, the State Department's special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, explained today that's not the whole story.

    Grossman said Tuesday that the point of the upcoming negotiations is to agree on an extension of the U.S. troop presence well past 2014, for the purposes of conducting counterterrorism operations and training and advising the Afghan security forces.

    In May, Obama and Afghan President Hamid Karzai signed a Strategic Partnership Agreement that promised an ongoing U.S. commitment to Afghanistan through 2024. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton announced Oct. 3 that Grossman's deputy, James Warlick, will be the lead U.S. negotiator for the Bilateral Security Agreement that will follow. Karzai's Ambassador to Washington Eklil Hakimi will lead the negotiations for the Afghan side.

    Grossman said that while meetings on "how we will manage our forces going forward in Afghanistan," have already taken place, formal negotiations have not yet begun. Once the negotiations formally start, the Bilateral Security Agreement must be completed within one year, according to the Strategic Partnership agreement, Grossman explained.

    Some U.S. military officials have said the plan is to keep 25,000 American troops in Afghanistan past 2014, but Grossman insisted that there is no number yet and the 25,000 figure quoted in reports is speculative. NATO announced Monday that it will also keep international troops in Afghanistan past 2014 alongside U.S. troops, not for combat but strictly for the mission of training and advising the Afghans.

    Grossman was speaking on a panel at the annual summit of the International Stability Operations Association in Washington. Also on the panel was Under Secretary of State for Management Patrick Kennedy, who said that the State Department would need U.S. military troops in Afghanistan to protect them and help them well past 2014.

    "Rather than developing our own capabilities, we will be depending on DOD support for functions such as a quick reaction force, personnel recovery, fuel support, explosive ordinance disposal, and medical assistance, by 2015," Kennedy said.

    The Cable also asked Kennedy why he testified in a hearing last week that he was "inclined" to support the requests for more security in Libya before the Sept. 11 attack in Benghazi that killed Amb. Chris Stevens and three other Americans. Kennedy declined to comment.
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    Another outright lie by the obama administration:

    Despite statements by Vice President Joe Biden, the State Department is about to begin formal negotiations over the extension of U.S. troops past 2014, a top State Department official said Tuesday.
    Bill Parcells: "You are what your record says you are."

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    Goddamn them for starting a war 11 years ago when they knew perfectly well it was going to go horribly and last 15+ years despite attempts to cut bait.

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    If you read the original agreement that Obama signed, our involvement goes up to 2024. It's just the specifics of that involvement that isn't quite clear. The entire thing goes way beyond one lie in a VP debate.

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    Knew it lol God I hope this gets brought up tonight.

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    I can bet and win it's because of the 1 trillion dollar deposit of lithium they found in Afghanistan. If you do not know what Lithium is used for it's it's used in all cell phones, electric cars, batteries, and many other things.

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    Ugh. Get.. The.. Troops... Out... Of.... Other.... countries... Please..

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    I liked how Obama danced around this. He only talked about Iraq and of course the number 1 person Bin Laden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Roses Bulls View Post
    I can bet and win it's because of the 1 trillion dollar deposit of lithium they found in Afghanistan. If you do not know what Lithium is used for it's it's used in all cell phones, electric cars, batteries, and many other things.
    or opium...or oil and strategic placement for oil pipelines. There's still more money to make off this war yet while we uh....spread freedom and justice in the region.

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    Bring our troops home
    Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government, owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to dissolve the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day.-Theodore Roosevelt


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    Quote Originally Posted by D Roses Bulls View Post
    I can bet and win it's because of the 1 trillion dollar deposit of lithium they found in Afghanistan. If you do not know what Lithium is used for it's it's used in all cell phones, electric cars, batteries, and many other things.
    wow, really? It definitely explains a lot of things. thanks for the info.

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    I bet if Romney wins, he will bring everyone back....amirite?

    Props.LgnD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havoc_Wr3aker View Post
    I bet if Romney wins, he will bring everyone back....amirite?
    Haha wouldn't expect anything else out of you.. Bravo.

    Also Romney has said we will slowly take them out. It was Obama that PROMISED to take the soldiers out by 2014. I think Biden even said this at the VP debate, and when Paul ryan said to slowly take them out Biden laughed. I love how people like you try to put this back on Romney. Like what Obama tried to do with immigration and the Benghazi attack.

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    People people...

    Neither Obama nor Romney will pull troops out until at least after 2014. Our foreign policy never changes, no matter who is president. We will remain on the same course regardless

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Schmooze View Post
    People people...

    Neither Obama nor Romney will pull troops out until at least after 2014. Our foreign policy never changes, no matter who is president. We will remain on the same course regardless
    This.

    Obama has continued just about every Bush-era program conservatives enjoy seeing. Expanded drone usage - to include domestic surveillance, indefinite detention, continued troop presence in the Middle East and Asia, continued use of 'torture' as an interrogation method (despite public opines to the contrary)...

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