NBA is by far the worst. Every player goes to a super team, the super team collapses, they go their seperate ways. It's a mess.
The NBA is not worse at all. Votto is one of the only resigned superstars (true superstar) I can think of in a small market. The NBA has plenty of stars in small market resigned and they usually only leave when they feel they can't win it in the small market.
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The #Indians had been looking at a few SS alternatives in free-agent and trade market during meetings. Gregorius is 22-year old SS.
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If #Indians do indeed acquire Gregorius as reported if deal goes down, it clears the path for them to deal Asdrubal Cabrera.
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Might be worth price of admission alone to watch him try to play CF RT @DKnobler: Reds would use Choo in center field, and as leadoff hitter
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Heating up RT @DKnobler: Reds deep in talks on deal to acquire Shin-soo Choo from Indians for Stubbs and Gregorius. http://cbsprt.co/UfMpzf
Stockpiling shortstops and old infielders who can't hit. How can anyone possibly think this is a good idea. But hey as Mark Shapiro said...it's not all about winning!
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#7ZGPAE2JM3IZepcp.99Reds, Indians Talking Shin-Soo Choo Trade
By Zach Links [December 11 at 4:20pm CST]
4:20pm: There is now a three-team deal in the works between the Reds, Indians, and Diamondbacks, according to Paul Hoynes of the Plain Dealer (via Twitter). Asdrubal Cabrera is not involved in the discussions at this stage.
3:01pm: The Reds and Indians are deep in talks that would send Shin-Soo Choo to Cincinnati, according to Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com. The Indians would receive center fielder Drew Stubbs and shortstop Didi Gregorius in return while the Reds are expected to receive another player in the deal.
The Reds would use Choo in center field even though he hasn't played there for the Indians since 2009 and has played just ten MLB games at the position in total. The Reds are banking on the 30-year-old's offensive production being able to make up for whatever they might lose defensively. The veteran owns a .289/.381/.465 slash line across eight major league seasons.
The acquisition of Gregorius could allow the Indians to deal fellow shortstop Asdrubal Cabrera. Cabrera, 27, is set to earn $6.5MM in 2013 and $10MM in 2014 before hitting free agency. Meanwhile, the 22-year-old Gregorius won't be arbitration eligible until 2016 and won't see the open market until 2019. The Netherlands native split time between Double-A and Triple-A last season, hitting .265/.324/.393 with seven homers in 561 plate appearances.
Stubbs, 28, struggled at the plate in 2012 as he posted a .213/.277/.333 batting line with 14 home runs in 544 plate appearances. The former eighth-overall pick in the 2006 draft has a .241/.312/.386 across four big league seasons with the Reds.
Choo, a Scott Boras client, is set to hit the open market after the 2013 season. The Indians were said to have him available via trade, albeit with a high price tag. The Reds would plug Choo in as the leadoff hitter, a role they have been working hard to fill. The club spoke with the Twins about Ben Revere before he was traded to the Phillies and also had conversations with the Rockies about Dexter Fowler.
Probably still looking at Arizona pitching. Id rather give them Cabrera and take Gregs and Stubbs. Thats a lot of control with those two. Don't mind Stubbs as if they do sign Swisher then Stubbs/Brantley/Swisher OF would not be bad compared to the last couple years. Gives the Tribe some SB's too.
Wonder who the additional player the Tribe are throwing in the deal. Would have to think a prospect.
http://www.scoutingbook.com/players/p2805The proud owner of a name that's as much hiphop as shortstop, Reds prospect DiDi Gregorius is part of Cincinnati's posse of hard-hitting infielders of the future. Mariekson Julius Gregorius (okay, now we see why he prefers Didi) is a Netherlands native with a sweet lefthanded swing who can play all over the diamond, though he certainly does seem very much at home at shortstop. He slashed .270/.312/.392 at AA Carolina in 2011, too, proving that there isn't much left between him and the big-league club.
Apperantly Arizona wants Didi much more than it does ACab. Shocker there. Arizona better be ready to give up some pitching for that.
I'm guessing the framework is something like
ARZ: Gregorious + someone else from CLE
CLE: Bauer/Skaggs + Stubbs
If we can net one of those Arizona arms plus Drew Stubbs under contract for 3 years for Choo under contract for 1 I would be a happy camper.
Stubbs sucks though, so hopefully the pitcher we would get would be Skaggs or Bauer and not Corbin. Not sure how I'd feel about Corbin/Stubbs
Let's say best case scenario we net Skaggs and Stubbs in the Choo deal and then sign Nick Swisher.
1. Kipnis - 2B
2. Cabrera - SS
3. Swisher - RF
4. Santana - C
5. Stubbs - CF
6. Brantley - LF
7. Reynolds - 1B
8. Canzler - DH
9. Chisenhall - 3B
SP - Masterson
SP - Ubaldo
SP - Carrasco
SP - Skaggs
SP - Tomlin/McAllister/Huff/Whoever makes it out of ST with the job
That's not too bad
Last edited by iAugust; 12-11-2012 at 06:12 PM.
Corbin + Stubbs = Bad
Bauer/Skaggs + Stubbs = Good
Bauer/Skaggs + Corbin + Stubbs = Great