Good for TOPPS
Good for TOPPS
I hate that WAR is the poster child for sabermetrics. It is far from the best advanced stat IMO. Great, but its like everyone thinks that's it, and no other saber stats exists.
I honestly like WPA because it is not context neutral like WAR but i understand it has it's own limitations as well.
That said, rWAR and fWAR for positional players is still dependent on defensive metrics that are obviously more fallible than offensive metrics, which can misconstrue a player's truer value in an individual season.
I mean great example for me is Juan Lagares, in 369 innings in CF, he has a 12 DRS. Those 40 full games (54 games in total) of great defense have helped him have a .5 fWAR in that time. He's essentially been WAR neutral offensively otherwise and extrapolated over the rest of the season, as him being the everyday CF, will still show his tremendous defensive prowess even if he regresses. Is he really worth that given his offensive neutrality?
I think WAR in context is important.
Last edited by metswon69; 07-27-2013 at 02:07 AM.
I'm assuming bWAR? I prefer fWAR, and I'm not sure which is more popular. Anyone know which is being used...?
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Plus it gives traditional guys the chance to think we use WAR as a be-all end all. Its fine that it is out there, but I wish wOBA was at the forefront.
I think WAR is the best stat to include on a baseball card. They aren't going to take off batting average, HR and RBI, OBP and SLG. Adding another offensive stat seems like overkill.
Having WAR emphasizes total player value over offense only.
At least it would give oWAR better context and WAR in general given offense has more weighted value than defense in determining a player's total WAR.
Last edited by metswon69; 07-27-2013 at 04:58 PM.
MLB Network is even starting to show FIP when comparing pitchers, so compared to where we were in say, 2011, we're moving along.
I don't think we need to use every stat under the sun, but I want to see us get to where FIP is used alongside ERA and where wOBA is used along the slash line and noone bats an eye.
During the Trout v. Miggy thing, all the traditionalist writers were talking about how we all just think WAR is the be all end all because that is all they ever saw (or chose to see as to have a BS narrative).
I like WAR a lot. But I wish more people knew about wRC+, or wOBA, or even OPS+ if that is simpler (although I never use it if wRC+ is available).
*I did not mean all traditionalist are ignorant. A lot of the traditionalists here know about wRC+ and stuff. I was referring to the especially ignorant ones like Hawk Harrelson and everyone that comments on the MLB facebook page.
You find something to argue with in every post.
I never said anything about overall value. I was talking about most accurate stat. That isn't WAR. And I already explained that, but you skipped over it so you could argue some more.
Pick your battles, don't pick out every little thing you find so you can disagree.