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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue french View Post
    1) Signing a SP, everyone agrees. We have 4 + 2 question marks (Lilly and Billingsley). Means we could have 7 SP and means too we won't give $ 100 M to Greinke if some other teams are stupid enough to make that kind of Barry Zito offer. (but it can happen)

    2) RP: we will get back the excellent lefty Elbert back, Guerrier who won't, can't be as bad, and even Hawksworth who will be only 29 and was decent before injury. Then please get rid of Wright, our starters era would be one run lower (ok not that much but I really dislike this guy) with all the runners fom the SPs he allowed to score.

    3) Backup catcher: a so important underrated position. Whe he plays, and as Ellis needs more rests. His CS % lowered at the end just because he was tired. No names. Do you have some ?

    4) As usual, our offense at the end relies on Kemp's health
    1. They have already said they are going after starting pitching.

    2. Comparing Zach Greinke to Barry Zito is the ultimate lol

    3. Hawksworth is done for the year

    4. FedEx will be our back up catcher.

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    How about adding one of Peavy or Greinke in and bringing back Kuroda? Additionally, we keep one of Harang/Cap and dump the other. I think Harang performed more consistently, but Cap does have the benefit of being a lefty.

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    Bills (if he's ready)
    Harang/Cap (spot starter/5 if Bills isn't ready)

    That's a solid 5 even without Bills, and an exceptional 5 with him.

    This allows us to keep developing Magill and Lee to make sure they're ready when they get the call, and I'd imagine Kuroda doesn't plan on pitching too much longer.
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    Would Kuroda even come back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dodgerbluemmm24 View Post
    Would Kuroda even come back?
    Tough to know. We know he loved LA and had a west coast preference last offseason. I know McCourt left a sour taste in his mouth, but McCourt is gone. I think it's worth at least taking a flyer on.
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    I hope Kuroda comes back. I don't think the Angels are going to pick up the options on Haren and Santana so they can sign Greinke long term. I don't care if Bills is out for the season; he just had a good run until he got hurt, but he always returns to mediocracy.

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    I wouldn't mind seeing Haren and/or Kuroda come our way. I would rather have Haren though because he is younger.


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    Nice Offseason look from MLBTradeRumors.com on the Dodgers

    Link: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/1...s-dodgers.html

    Offseason Outlook: Los Angeles Dodgers

    The Dodgers will seek pitching in their first offseason under new ownership.

    Guaranteed Contracts

    •Matt Kemp, OF: $150MM through 2019
    •Adrian Gonzalez, 1B: $127MM through 2018
    •Carl Crawford, OF: $102.5MM through 2017
    •Andre Ethier, OF: $85MM through 2017
    •Josh Beckett, SP: $34MM through 2014
    •Hanley Ramirez, SS: $31.5MM through 2014
    •Yasiel Puig, OF: $28MM through 2018
    •Chad Billingsley, SP: $26MM through 2014
    •Ted Lilly, SP: $13.5MM through 2013
    •Clayton Kershaw, SP: $11MM through 2013
    •Aaron Harang, SP: $9MM through 2013
    •Juan Uribe, IF: $8MM through 2013
    •Chris Capuano, SP: $7MM through 2013
    •Mark Ellis, 2B: $6.25MM through 2013
    •Matt Guerrier, RP: $4.75MM through 2013
    •Jerry Hairston Jr., UT: $3.75MM through 2013
    •Nick Punto, UT: $1.5MM through 2013

    Arbitration Eligible Players (estimated salaries)

    •A.J. Ellis, C: $1.7MM (first time eligible)

    Contract Options

    •Juan Rivera, OF: $4MM club option with a $500K buyout
    •Todd Coffey, RP: $2.5MM club option with a $300K buyout
    •Matt Treanor, C: $950K club option with a $150K buyout

    Free Agents

    •Joe Blanton, Shane Victorino, Bobby Abreu, Brandon League, Randy Choate, Jamey Wright, Adam Kennedy

    It's not uncommon for incoming ownership groups to gain control of a team and promise to spend. It is uncommon for owners to deliver on these promises with the speed and boldness that Mark Walter, Stan Kasten and Magic Johnson did. Guggenheim Baseball Management has been baseball's most aggressive ownership group since officially purchasing the Dodgers this spring, and it's not particularly close. If the trend of aggressive spending continues in the coming offseason, expect the Dodgers to shift their focus from position players to the starting rotation.

    At a time that the Yankees won't stop talking about the luxury tax, the Red Sox are shedding payroll and the Cubs are re-tooling, the Dodgers are baseball's biggest spenders. They have committed $194MM to next year's team, tops in MLB. Even if you sliced the Dodgers' 2013 commitments in half, their future payroll commitments would rank in the top five.

    Like the majority of teams with such extensive payroll commitments, the Dodgers are set at most positions. The timeline for Carl Crawford's return from Tommy John surgery remains unclear, but he's expected to return early in the season, so significant outfield reinforcements seem unnecessary. Shane Victorino doesn't fit in the Dodgers' outfield, since he'll get offers to start elsewhere.

    Though the Dodgers also have plenty of infielders, GM Ned Colletti could pursue upgrades at third base or shortstop. It sounds like the club will stick with Hanley Ramirez at short while using Luis Cruz at third base. Cruz posted a .297/.322/.431 batting line in half a season after signing a minor league deal with the Dodgers last winter, but history and batting average on balls in play suggest he'll regress on offense. Alternatively, light-hitting shortstop Dee Gordon could play the more defensively demanding position and the Dodgers could have Ramirez play third. It doesn't sound as though the team has high expectations for Juan Uribe, who remains unproductive two thirds of the way through a three-year, $21MM contract.

    In some ways Alex Rodriguez seems like a possible trade target for the Dodgers. The Yankees don't believe in Rodriguez's ability to produce at the plate right now -- if they did then he would be in the New York lineup. Though Rodriguez has many doubters, the 37-year-old was an above-average offensive player in 2012. Plus, it's no secret the Dodgers have been willing to take on high-salaried players. I still don’t think it’d be a wise move for the Dodgers to commit significant resources -- say more than $30MM -- to acquire Rodriguez, who's owed at least $114MM through 2017. There are too many health and performance-related questions surrounding the former first overall pick to justify an intense pursuit. Based on last summer’s reports the Dodgers don’t seem interested.

    Colletti will have interest in adding a top-of-the-rotation starter to pair with Clayton Kershaw. Free agent right-hander Zack Greinke could be a target, and though he'd cost more than $100MM he'd be a worthwhile addition for the Dodgers. They have the resources, the need and, thanks to a midseason trade by their American League counterparts, evidence that Greinke can handle the pressure associated with the Los Angeles market.

    However, Walter has hinted that the Dodgers don't intend to spend big on pitching, telling Dylan Hernandez that "pitchers break." Perhaps high-priced starters like Greinke and Jake Peavy are off-limits for now. If the Dodgers look to reduce costs, they could pursue trade candidates such as Josh Johnson and James Shields or free agents such as Dan Haren and Hiroki Kuroda. They have a built-in advantage when it comes to Kuroda, who appeared to enjoy pitching in Los Angeles for the first four years of his MLB career. Joe Blanton, one of Colletti's many late-season additions, figures to sign elsewhere when he hits free agency.

    One of Josh Beckett, Chris Capuano, Aaron Harang and Ted Lilly figures to be traded, according to Hernandez. The Dodgers won’t have trouble generating interest in their veteran starting pitching with teams like the Twins, Royals, Blue Jays, Angels, Cubs and Brewers seeking rotation help. None of these starters would have particularly high trade value, although Capuano and Harang are both coming off of solid seasons. Chad Billingsley might require reconstructive elbow surgery and doesn’t appear to be a trade candidate.

    The Dodgers appear to have some interest in right-hander Shohei Otani, a hard-throwing 18-year-old free agent. Though baseball's collective bargaining agreement will prevent Dodgers ownership from spending as aggressively as they otherwise might, they should still pursue top international prospects.

    It's only been eight months since Kershaw signed an extension with the Dodgers, yet it's already time to consider a new deal. An extension would cover the left-hander's one remaining season of arbitration eligibility and a number of free agent seasons. The Dodgers would have to pay top dollar for Kershaw, who's coming off of consecutive Cy Young caliber years. He might cost more than $150MM this time, but it'd still be worth it for a large-market team to lock up one of the game's top pitchers through his prime. Not surprisingly, Kershaw would consider a new deal.

    With Kershaw's 2013 salary already determined, the Dodgers have an exceptionally small arbitration class (it looks like Ronald Belisario will fall just short of super two status). Only A.J. Ellis projects as an arb eligible player and he'd probably earn less than $2MM on a one-year deal.

    The Dodgers have three club options for 2013 and they can all safely be declined. Juan Rivera no longer looks like a $4MM player; Todd Coffey will miss the beginning of the 2013 season with Tommy John surgery; 36-year-old Matt Treanor struggled at the plate all year, especially down the stretch.

    A number of Dodgers relievers are on track to hit free agency this coming offseason, and while prospects such as Chris Reed and Chris Withrow could contribute out of the bullpen by 2013, Colletti might prefer to open the season with more depth. Brandon League has said he’d like to return to Los Angeles, and Randy Choate also seems like a possible fit given his success as a lefty specialist. Though it’s often difficult to endorse multiyear deals for relievers, I don’t think the Dodgers should shy away from their preferred free agent arms. They aim to contend and they need relief help. Spending on relievers won’t prevent them from addressing other needs, so why not?

    It’d be hard for the Dodgers to keep adding stars at the rate they were making deals this past summer. In all likelihood they’ve already completed much of their shopping. This winter will probably be about supplementing the pitching staff and answering questions on the left side of the infield. Still, if we’ve learned anything about the Los Angeles ownership group it’s that they aren’t afraid to spend and surprise.

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    Trade Capuano!! His value is the best it's gonna get, coming off a solid season
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    Agree. His value will never be higher than it is right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KobeOwnSU View Post
    Pitching, Pitching, and health.
    you forgot pitching
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    Managment has already implied they're gonna go hard after another pitcher, these 2 fit the bill... The order I'd want them to go after would be...

    1) Josh Johnson (Unlikely, but Miami might complete start over and he'd be part of that)

    2) Greinke

    3) Peavy
    i would love to have kuroda back btw.
    Quote Originally Posted by LASportsFan1996 View Post
    Trade Capuano!! His value is the best it's gonna get, coming off a solid season
    plus he is a lefty. there is always a market for lefties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek Brink View Post
    1. They have already said they are going after starting pitching.

    2. Comparing Zach Greinke to Barry Zito is the ultimate lol

    3. Hawksworth is done for the year

    4. FedEx will be our back up catcher.
    I am frightened by the Zito / Greinke dealing by comparing their career and baseball skills:

    Zito got his Cy after his 3rd season at 24
    He never came close to duplicate that feat
    He pitched decently but nothing great till he was 28
    Then he and his agent (Boras ?) robbed the Giants money which is great 58-69 record in seasons, 4.15 his best era

    Greinke got his Cy young in his sixth season at 25
    He never came close to duplicate that feat
    he pitched decently till this year
    he is now a free agent at 29, and I am afraid, asking for a 3 digits long term contract.

    It's nothing funny, it's just baseball history and facts. He's is not worth it, nothing more for a starting pitcher than 3 years contracts should be a rule

    Zito, Kevin Brown, Chan Ho Park, even CC Sabathia long term contract is backfiring, AJ Burnett, Jack Peavy, Kevin Milwood was such wanted top free agent pitcher a few years ago, I am not sure the Rangers agreed he was a good deal. Even Johan Santana is garbage now and pitches averagely for 3 years with the Mets (1 know, 1 no hitter, even Kevin Gross pitched a no-hitter for the Dodgers). Santana was simply the best pitcher in baseball when he signed the big contract with the Mets. If we go back to the 80s, Frank Viola was the best pitcher in baseball after Hershiser. He signed the big contract... and stunk.

    There must be others, but in 25 years, I can only remember 2 SPs who signed the big contract and deserved their salary: Pedro Martinez with Boston and Randy Johnson with Arizona.

    Kuroda for one year would be the best option... if he wants to be back
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    ^ Greinke has been one of the best pitchers in baseball the last 2 years. He's declined but only because in his Cy Young year he was unbelievable. He's still one of the top 15-20 pitchers in baseball.

    I do agree that giving long term contracts sucks and that we could be in major trouble 3-4 years from now when Gonzo, Greinke, Kemp, Ethier, Crawford, Hanley(if they sign him) and on when they are all 31-35.

    Still he would give us a great shot of winning the next 3 years. If we can't sign Greinke I would love to bring back Kuroda for 2 years.

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    What's everybody's thoughts since this hasn't been talked about much on signing Hanley long term? I know I love Hanley and I'd be down to do it, plus we still have 2 years to get it done, but what do you guys think?
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    Pass.

    Terrible defense and his offensive numbers have been getting worse the older he gets.

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    Yeah, we should just let go of Hanley once his contract expires. He sucks defensively and I don't think the NL suits him. He should move to the AL as a DH.

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