Mangini-- We "tried like hell" to get Matt Schaub

[ccugrad1]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/ey...tball/20481265

Well, this is depressing: In 2006, three years before the Jets traded up in the first round to take Mark Sanchez and two years before bringing Brett Favre to New York, then-coach Eric Mangini really wanted quarterback Matt Schaub.

"We tried like hell to get him," Mangini said in a recent phone interview with ESPNNewYork.com's Rich Cimini.

Back then, Schaub was Michael Vick's backup in Atlanta, but Chad Pennington was coming off his second shoulder surgery and he wasn't viewed as a viable long-term option in New York. Mangini had been impressed by Schaub when the former was the Patriots defensive coordinator. Details via Cimini:

Mangini became smitten with Schaub in 2005. (New England) faced the Vick-less Falcons, and he called blitz after blitz, expecting to rattle the young quarterback. But Schaub lit up Mangini's defense, passing for 298 yards and three touchdowns, nearly pulling off the upset.

After becoming the Jets' coach in 2006, Mangini did his homework on Schaub, receiving a glowing endorsement from a former coaching colleague, Al Groh, who coached the quarterback at Virginia. Mangini was convinced Schaub was the real deal, but, as he said: "As strong as our conviction was, theirs was stronger."

The Jets offered defensive end Jonathan Abraham straight up for Schaub, a 2004 third-rounder out of Virginia. The deal never happened, and a year later, the Falcons shipped Schaub to the Houston Texans for a pair of second-rounders. Abraham still wound up in Atlanta in exchange for the 29th pick in the '06 draft, which the Jets used to take center Nick Mangold.

(Another little known fact, via Cimini: The Jets wanted to send that No. 29 selection to the Chargers for running back Michael Turner.)

So what would the Jets look like in that alternate reality? Well, there'd be no Favre, Sanchez or Tim Tebow, and possibly no Rex Ryan. Pennington was impressive in '06, throwing for 3,352 yards and completing 65 percent of his passes. He ranked seventh in QB efficiency that year, according to Football Outsiders, behind names like Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Tom Brady and Philip Rivers. New York went 10-6 and made the playoffs but lost to the Patriots in the wild-card game.

But midway through 2007, Mangini benched Pennington in favor of Kellen Clemens, and by August 2008, the Jets had traded for Favre.

Schaub, meanwhile, has started 68 games in six seasons with Houston, completing 65 percent of his passes for 17,856 yards, 99 touchdowns and 53 interceptions. He was 7-3 in 2011 before a foot injury ended his year, though the Texans still won the division and a playoff game.

This season, Houston is undefeated through four games. On Monday, the Texans will face the Jets in a get-together between teams going in opposite directions.

The pregame storyline would almost certainly be different had Schaub ended up in New York six years ago.


Just thought I would post!

[GreenLantern]

Jets are snake bitten when it comes to good Qb's.

[KingsnQueens7]

Yeah... I didn't think Mangini was that bad of a coach just he was not in favour of getting Favre. I honestly believe thats why he was let go, disagree with me if you want idc.

[utl768]

schaub woulda been run out of town a long time ago

nothing would have changed

[ccugrad1]

schaub woulda been run out of town a long time ago

nothing would have changed

I will disagree with that. I actually believe the year we had Favre (who was hurt at the end), we would have won the AFC East with a healthy Matt Schaub.

I also believe there are some games where Mark has played bad and we have barely lost, that Schaub would have made a huge difference. Off the top of my head, I remember the first Buffalo game Mark's rookie year where he threw 5 INT's and we lost 16-13 in OT or the game against Atlanta where we lost 10-7 and he threw 3 picks. Schaub wins both of those games for us IMO because there would be a few plays here and a few plays there where you wouldn't have seen an INT or something like that.

[jetsforever]

I still think all of that worked out just fine. Abraham for Mangold has more than paid off.

[GreenLantern]

I still think all of that worked out just fine. Abraham for Mangold has more than paid off.

good trade off but we havent had a real pass rush since Abraham 8(

[VillaMaravilla]

Till this day Mangini is my fav Jet coach ever, had some great drafts he just caught a raw deal

[jets24/7]

We went to two AFC championships game even after all that. Plus, Schaub is injury prone. If we had given mark little bit help with WR, nobody is even talking about Schaub.

[MrX27]

Herm > Mangini.

The players gave everything they had for Herm, and when he had a healthy QB, the Jets always did well, and the players nearly revolted against Mangini, which was another reason he was let go.

And there is no reason to say Mangini had good drafts, because he didn't draft anyone. The drafts were the result of Mike T and Bradway.

[ccugrad1]

Herm > Mangini.

The players gave everything they had for Herm, and when he had a healthy QB, the Jets always did well, and the players nearly revolted against Mangini, which was another reason he was let go.

And there is no reason to say Mangini had good drafts, because he didn't draft anyone. The drafts were the result of Mike T and Bradway.

I have never bought into that rationale. Can't anyone tell me Mangini didn't have A LOT of say in who was and was NOT drafted. It is like the Jets drafts now; don't tell me Rex Ryan doesn't have A LOT of say in who is and who is not drafted.

[MrX27]

I have never bought into that rationale. Can't anyone tell me Mangini didn't have A LOT of say in who was and was NOT drafted. It is like the Jets drafts now; don't tell me Rex Ryan doesn't have A LOT of say in who is and who is not drafted.

So it's what you want to believe vs the facts and actuality of what is.

Want proof?

Rex didn't want SHill in this year's draft, guess what team SHill ended up on.

So how much say did Rex have in that decision?
About the same amount that Mangini had during his drafts with the Jets.

Why do you think people like Holmgren leave GB for Cleve?
It's because they wanted the power to acquire the players they wanted.

[ccugrad1]

So it's what you want to believe vs the facts and actuality of what is.

Want proof?

Rex didn't want SHill in this year's draft, guess what team SHill ended up on.

So how much say did Rex have in that decision?
About the same amount that Mangini had during his drafts with the Jets.

Why do you think people like Holmgren leave GB for Cleve?
It's because they wanted the power to acquire the players they wanted.

I am sorry I have a different belief, but I just can't believe a head coach is going to have ZERO say in who is and who is NOT drafted. They may not get everyone they like, but they definitely have SOME say in who is taken. Do you think Rex has ZERO say in Coples?

[Mr. Magoo]

I am sorry I have a different belief, but I just can't believe a head coach is going to have ZERO say in who is and who is NOT drafted. They may not get everyone they like, but they definitely have SOME say in who is taken. Do you think Rex has ZERO say in Coples?

When Rex first came to the Jets, he joked about the fact that the team's decision makers allow him only one pick in the draft. His pick that season was John Connor.

[NYSPORTS98]

and Schuab dropped to pick 90 overall in 2004. Ironically, the Giants wanted Eli or Ben with Schuab their 3rd choice. They scratched of Rivers and were debating going Fitzgerald and Schuab in the 2nd.