Brady vs Manning

**lobster** · 10-10-2012, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by HaruSoul

That is a brand new Colts team. Pretty sure the only 2 offensive players that are still there from Manning are Wayne and Brown. Correct me if I'm wrong though, I'm not 100% sure.

He is making the argument"look what the Colts did without Peyton". So are you making the claim that the Colts built back in 1 year with no big FA aquasitions. Luck seems to be doing fine with the Colts please no more poor Peyton stories.

**HaruSoul** · 10-10-2012, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by lobster

He is making the argument"look what the Colts did without Peyton". So are you making the claim that the Colts built back in 1 year with no big FA aquasitions. Luck seems to be doing fine with the Colts please no more poor Peyton stories.

2 years, but yea. Look at their offensive players this year, look at their offensive players in 2010. The only 2 names I see that are on both are Wayne and Brown. As well as numerous coaching changes. It is a different team.

**mikebrez bears/** · 10-11-2012, 01:21 AM

Manning and it's not even close

**Celtic AL** · 10-11-2012, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by mikebrez bears/

Manning and it's not even close

It's a toss up...

**subroc** · 10-11-2012, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by mikebrez bears/

Manning and it's not even close

Really? Not even close!?!?

I have no problem with anyone believing Peyton Manning is the better QB. He!!, he very well may be. But the assertion that Tom Brady isn't even close? I expect if you make the case he is better so that is enough of an argument to create significant separation, hence the assertion that he isn't even close. But, I doubt statistics, considering the length of their careers, shows a distinct separation enough to make the claim.

**lobster** · 10-11-2012, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by subroc

Really? Not even close!?!?

I have no problem with anyone believing Peyton Manning is the better QB. He!!, he very well may be. But the assertion that Tom Brady isn't even close? I expect if you make the case he is better so that is enough of an argument to create significant separation, hence the assertion that he isn't even close. But, I doubt statistics, considering the length of their careers, shows a distinct separation enough to make the claim.

He's baiting cause thats what he does. I guess he doesn't remember when we played them a couple of years ago? Or his *** is still sore from it.

**Bigdaddyburch** · 10-13-2012, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by lobster

Other than the fact that Manning has played more games i'm not sure why you think Mannings stats are better? Luck seems to be doin alright with the Colts.

Luck is a number one over all draft pick and gonna be pretty damn good IMO. He is nothing like Matt Cassel. I believe Brady to be better but to say the Colts are doing just fine without Manning is....kinda funny.

Oh BTW after missing a full season and all the neck issues. Guess who is the fourth ranked QB in the league is? Oh and looks like Manning is MAKING Thomas a pretty damn good WR. (these 2 comments have nothing to do with the Brady Manning war and pure hatred Brady fans have for Manning) Just throwing it out there because all I have heard for years is Manning was average at best and his his team mates made him. He sits out a year. Gets his neck cut on over and over has to learn how to re throw the football due to nerve re growth (Is doubted mocked made fun of and even some fans BB bagwell NESports Brady to name 4 thank the Gods his career is over sorry the cynic made me say it but it is true) Comes back on a new team new system all new team mates and is doing a pretty good job. I do have to ask though. IF Thomas ends up in the top 3 or 4 in yards can we say Manning made him better or did Thomas make Manning better as has been the thyme in Indy?

**lobster** · 10-13-2012, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Bigdaddyburch

Luck is a number one over all draft pick and gonna be pretty damn good IMO. He is nothing like Matt Cassel. I believe Brady to be better but to say the Colts are doing just fine without Manning is....kinda funny.

Oh BTW after missing a full season and all the neck issues. Guess who is the fourth ranked QB in the league is? Oh and looks like Manning is MAKING Thomas a pretty damn good WR. (these 2 comments have nothing to do with the Brady Manning war and pure hatred Brady fans have for Manning) Just throwing it out there because all I have heard for years is Manning was average at best and his his team mates made him. He sits out a year. Gets his neck cut on over and over has to learn how to re throw the football due to nerve re growth (Is doubted mocked made fun of and even some fans BB bagwell NESports Brady to name 4 thank the Gods his career is over sorry the cynic made me say it but it is true) Comes back on a new team new system all new team mates and is doing a pretty good job. I do have to ask though. IF Thomas ends up in the top 3 or 4 in yards can we say Manning made him better or did Thomas make Manning better as has been the thyme in Indy?

For you to try to say that Pats fans claimed Manning was "average at best" shows that you are full of ****. Also for a Bronco fan to say that Manning is in a "new" system tells me that you don't know your own team.
To answer your question, Thomas had all the tools before Manning got there which is why I picked him in fantasy. Of course having a great QB throwing him the ball is going to help his stats. The kid is clueless though............

**bosox3431** · 10-13-2012, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by Ebbs

Brady vs Peyton thread 1000.

Brady has more rings!

Peyton has better numbers!

Brady never had the WR options Peyton did til Moss!

Peyton is a smarter QB who creates pro bowlers. Brady is a system QB look what Cassel did!

Did the Patriots even make the playoffs with Cassel? No!

Look what the Colts did without Peyton!

Brady can put any guy in his "system" and turn them into a difference maker. (Edelman, Deion Branch etc. . .)!

Spygate! Patriots haven't won since they cheated!

. . . Brady has more rings!

Peyton has better stats!

I basically gave the summary for the next 100 pages

You forgot mmanning plays in a dome and was only that good because his team spent money on offensive players.

**bosox3431** · 10-13-2012, 05:34 PM

And ebbs was obviously mocking the debate, because those are the same arguments used over and over on here. He wasnt trying to make any points, other then this is a stupid debate that been done 1000 times over on this site.

**Bigdaddyburch** · 10-13-2012, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by lobster

For you to try to say that Pats fans claimed Manning was "average at best" shows that you are full of ****. Also for a Bronco fan to say that Manning is in a "new" system tells me that you don't know your own team.
To answer your question, Thomas had all the tools before Manning got there which is why I picked him in fantasy. Of course having a great QB throwing him the ball is going to help his stats. The kid is clueless though............

Hmmm sorry I did not say all Pats or BB/Brady fans. Sorry you felt attacked personally. Manning is in a slash version of the O he ran. YES some of it is no huddle BUT there is a slight rift as McCoy is reluctant to give Peyton all his needed power. It will happen soon enough I am sure. Peyton is IMO a greater offensive minded and intelligent than McCoy. I also agree Thomas has great skill but man live or die. I am either elated or disturbed by his play. Still IMO Manning is making him better.

**NJrockPD** · 10-20-2012, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by Ebbs

Brady vs Peyton thread 1000.

Brady has more rings!

Peyton has better numbers!

Brady never had the WR options Peyton did til Moss!

Peyton is a smarter QB who creates pro bowlers. Brady is a system QB look what Cassel did!

Did the Patriots even make the playoffs with Cassel? No!

Look what the Colts did without Peyton!

Brady can put any guy in his "system" and turn them into a difference maker. (Edelman, Deion Branch etc. . .)!

Spygate! Patriots haven't won since they cheated!

. . . Brady has more rings!

Peyton has better stats!

I basically gave the summary for the next 100 pages

Awesome!

**TennMike** · 11-15-2012, 01:27 PM

Manning has better commercials so wins the tie-breaker

**neovenator250** · 11-15-2012, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Ebbs

Brady vs Peyton thread 1000.

Brady has more rings!

Peyton has better numbers!

Brady never had the WR options Peyton did til Moss!

Peyton is a smarter QB who creates pro bowlers. Brady is a system QB look what Cassel did!

Did the Patriots even make the playoffs with Cassel? No!

Look what the Colts did without Peyton!

Brady can put any guy in his "system" and turn them into a difference maker. (Edelman, Deion Branch etc. . .)!

Spygate! Patriots haven't won since they cheated!

. . . Brady has more rings!

Peyton has better stats!

I basically gave the summary for the next 100 pages

yep.

**xxplayerxx23** · 11-18-2012, 11:22 AM

Very close. Id lean towards Peyton but I can't argue against Brady, both are great Qbs

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