I've always been a big fan of Vegas. They have balanced scoring in the starting 5 and plenty of defense to matchup with Valencia's strengths. Jrue and Bradley guarded over 1500 plays this past season and combined for 0.72 ppp. That's outrageous. Both are fantastic in the PnR. It was like this Vegas team was built to take Valencia down. I trust the combined defense of those two (starters) over the defense of Taj Gibson (bench player whose minutes have decreased each of the past two seasons). In addition, I trust Love's ability to score at a high rate over Paul's.
I don't have time to elaborate more now but needless to say I'm going upset special here. I vote Vegas.
Not sure who I am going to take in this one. The defense of Vegas especially in the back court cannot be over looked despite the fact that Bradley has a very small sample size to work with. Though there is no way Bradley is even a consistent threat on offense in this series. His supposed 50% shooting from beyond the arch is only on close to 1 attempt per game. Sorry that does not make you a good shooter. As far as Valencia goes, I really don't like the guys around Paul very much as I see Brook Lopez being very overrated and has an inability to defend much of anything in the post. Gibson has been a bench player for years despite his positive production but I just don't buy him being able to shore up the defensive inadequacy of Brook Lopez. Than comes Nick Young who is simply an awful starter to throw out there. His shooting percentages are awful to say the least and that was despite playing with Paul for part of the year last season.
Thinking this one over a bit more.
Gibson has finished a lot of games in his Bulls career. Not being a starter doesn't mean he isn't starting caliber. I can't change your mind about Lopez being overrated since that's an opinion (although you didn't back it up with much), but he is surrounded with three high quality interior defenders in Gibson, Martin, and Stiemsma.
Kevin Love - 26ppg
Nene Hilario - 13.7ppg
Jrue Holiday - 13.5ppg
Caron Butler - 12ppg
Avery Bradley - 7.6ppg (12.3ppg as a starter)
Anthony Morrow - 12ppg
Delonte West - 9.6ppg
They have 7 guys capable of averaging double digits including one who was a top 5 scorer in the NBA. How is that not balanced?
Butler and Holiday are horribly inefficient (.501 and .496 TS% respectively) and Bradley, as mentioned previously, gives you next to nothing offensively. Morrow put up 12 points a game in New Jersey. I think that speaks for itself.
I'm not going to pretend like they don't have a stout perimeter defense or that they wouldn't piss CP3 off at least a couple of times during this series because they do and they would, but their offense is far from balanced. They're front-loaded.
You gave a logical reason for voting Vegas over us but I find it awfully silly for their "balanced scoring" to have been a contributing factor in your vote.
Your right Gibson has closed out a lot of games. He has been the better player over Boozer many a time, though not sure how much that is really saying. I just don't believe Gibson can protect the rim and Lopez enough to win you guys the series.
As far Lopez, well he is overrated in my opinion. His PER has never been higher than 20 (full season) and his TS% is really quite sad for a 7'0. In 2010-11 he only had a TS% of .549. He is a terrible rebounder to say the least, he only pulled down 6 boards a game 2 years ago. His Useage % is quite high for a player that simply does not score enough. His usage has also increased every season of his career yet his offensive production stays the same. That is alarming to me.
Last edited by Mile High Champ; 10-05-2012 at 04:25 PM.
That's the predicament Vegas is in with Jrue Holiday. Their best perimeter scorer is a borderline chucker with numbers like his. No balance.
First of all it's not just Gibson. Martin and Stiemsma off the bench are capable interior defenders.I just don't believe Gibson can protect the rim and Lopez enough to win you guys the series.
And secondly, what is he protecting the rim from? The constant penetration from the great Jrue Holiday? Or Caron Butler? Avery Bradley? That trio of just absurdly efficient (not) wings?
We haven't tried to sell Lopez as anything but our interior scorer. I think everybody knows by now what Lopez is and isn't good at so this post was mostly a waste of breath.As far Lopez, well he is overrated in my opinion. His PER has never been higher than 20 (full season) and his TS% is really quite sad for a 7'0. In 2010-11 he only had a TS% of .549. He is a terrible rebounder to say the least, he only pulled down 6 boards a game 2 years ago. His Useage % is quite high for a player that simply does not score enough. His usage has also increased every season of his career yet his offensive production stays the same. That is alarming to me.
And if you took the time to read our write-up, you'd see in that in the near 30 games a healthy Lopez played with Deron Williams (by far the best distributor he's played with in real life), he put up career numbers in scoring on excellent efficiency. Playing with Paul would help him that much more.
Of course I read the write up CF, You know I would take the time to do it.
In the end the Chris Paul Factor swayed me to take Valencia (was very close). You guys both did a good job with your teams.
Love even against Taj and Chicago's stout defense with Thibs still put up 20 a game and 13.5 RPG in 36 min.This is going back to when Love was just average as well. That's another point that hasn't been addressed. How is Valencia going to rebound against one of the top rebounders in the league while having a terrible rebounding center and a average at best rebounding PF.
Who are these interior defenders? Martin blows. steam? Sure ing him in we'll foul him out in 10 minutes and we'll take those FT's.
Btw, Love shot 42% against Gibson.
So when I make a claim its an opinion and doesn't count, and then if I use stats that's not ok too? UmmmYour argument that you have better defenders on Paul than we have on Love is strictly opinion. And don't turn to Synergy as the end-all of defensive metrics like people have suddenly started doing, because that's not what it is.
Jrue Holiday and Avery Bradley aren't exactly Gary Payton's children either.
They are easily near the top of the league.
The defense of Jrue and Avery? I actually outlined in the write-up why that won't work. Plus if Paul got his against Tony Allen and Mike Conley and that pitbull of a defense the Grizzlies are sportinsg, I don't know what you really expect to happen. Superstars like Paul who have tasted the physicality of the playoffs multiple times are jgoing to get theirs.
Allen's amazing and Conley is good but I like the athleticism of Jrue and Avery a bit more to give Paul trouble.
Gallo does look like he can break D down at times but he's yet to truly prove he can take Over a game like that he's had over 30 points a game once in his career and that was an OT game. To say he can take over a series is idealistic to say the least will Say more later