Is Omar Visquel a HoFer?

[Lord_of_Dogtown]

Played his last game the other day? I dont think he'll make it into the HoF but what do you think?

[Jeffy25]

No.

And before someone says if Ozzie is....then he is.


He isn't anywhere close to Ozzie defensively.

[teddygreen17]

Almost 3000 hits and one of the greatest fielders of all time...you have to give it too him for longevity as well. Yeah, he is in.

[Rylinkus]

Almost 3000 hits and one of the greatest fielders of all time...you have to give it too him for longevity as well. Yeah, he is in.

Compiled by being a below average hitter for a very long time. No, he doesn't belong in the Hall.

[Jeffy25]

Here is your information

Omar
.272/.336/.352 - 82 OPS+ - .311 wOBA, 84 wRC+ - 1291 wRC
27.8 oWAR, 28.4 dWAR, 40.5 rWAR, 129.7 UZR, 47.4 fWAR
(over 100 less SB as well)

Ozzie
.262/.337/.328 - 87 OPS+ - .311 wOBA, 94 wRC+ - 1154 wRC
44.5 oWAR, 43.4 dWAR, 73.0 rWAR, 239 UZR, 70.3 fWAR


The reason I brought up Ozzie proactively is because people like to make that comparaison every time we have a thread about Omar as a hall of famer. And he pales in comparaison.

[Lord_of_Dogtown]

Here is your information

Omar
.272/.336/.352 - 82 OPS+ - .311 wOBA, 84 wRC+ - 1291 wRC
27.8 oWAR, 28.4 dWAR, 40.5 rWAR, 129.7 UZR, 47.4 fWAR
(over 100 less SB as well)

Ozzie
.262/.337/.328 - 87 OPS+ - .311 wOBA, 94 wRC+ - 1154 wRC
44.5 oWAR, 43.4 dWAR, 73.0 rWAR, 239 UZR, 70.3 fWAR


The reason I brought up Ozzie proactively is because people like to make that comparaison every time we have a thread about Omar as a hall of famer. And he pales in comparaison.

We havnt had a thread about Omar and HoF in like 2 years

[beldugo]

You can compare Vizquel with Luis Aparicio...

Vizquel AVG .272 OBP .336 SLG .352 wOBA .311 wRC+ 84

Aparicio AVG .262 OBP .311 SLG .343 wOBA .302 wRC+ 88

Both of them played great defense at short.

Vizquel 129.7 UZR

Aparicio 149 UZR

[thrice4]

Loved watching him play. I hope so. One of the best shortstops ever.

[Twitchy]

I'm fine with Vizquel getting in on "longevity" as long as baseball is consistent and does the same with Moyer.

I just don't think Vizquel matches up as a HoF SS considering that his peers include:

A-Rod, Ripken, Jeter, Larkin, Trammell, Ozzie Smith and Yount.

Solid player, not a HoF.

[bagwell368]

Big debate about 18 months ago. Vizquel is about the 14th best SS of all time and Smith is about 6th-7th. Not very close and Vizquel doesn't belong. His hitting rate stats are quite meh.

[Jeffy25]

We havnt had a thread about Omar and HoF in like 2 years

Yeah, it just happens on other forums too though.

It would be brought up.


Aparacio is an interesting comparision

.262/.311/.343 - 82 OPS+, .302 wOBA, 88 wRC+ - 1130 wRC
37.8 oWAR, 31.6 dWAR, 51.7 rWAR, 149 UZR, 63.6 fWAR



He compares a lot more closely to Aparacio, but Aparacio arguably shouldn't be in either.

[Jeffy25]

We need to put Alan Trammel in before we consider Vizquel, most certainly.

[jon32]

No.

And before someone says if Ozzie is....then he is.


He isn't anywhere close to Ozzie defensively.

rrrriiiighhhtttt.....

[whitesoxfan83]

I say he's a borderliner. I'm certainly not going to complain if he gets in.

[bagwell368]

We need to put Alan Trammel in before we consider Vizquel, most certainly.

Beat me to it. One of the 6-7 most ignored living players. Pretty much the "Santo" of SS's.