M's Offseason Discussion

[Spartan8585]

Wonder if JZ has something big brewing this off season and Montero, is part of it. I bet Butler is his replacement, at the DH spot.

[A.Mopp]

ugh if we trade one of the big three for Butler id be pretty disappointed

i just dont think he is worth one of them

[Rain City]

^ agree but at the same time it might be the best we can do.

[A.Mopp]

Mauer+ sure. The other 3 not worth it imo, he is under a good amount of team control though

its just a lot for a DH only to me

[jej]

Butler is one of my favorites, but bringing him in means giving up on/trading one of Smoak and Montero, and I'm not ready to do that.

I don't want to see Montero traded, but it could happen if we get Butler. Trading him could come back to haunt us, bad.

[Ian.]

Yep. I agree Jej. We cannot give up on Montero.

he has an MVP ceiling.

[jej]

Totally ignored my post

Me? Which one?

[Spartan8585]

I don't wanna trade montero either.

[jej]

I'd go Maurer or Erasmo and Smoak (plus a mid level guy if needed), but not feeling one of the big 3. If I'm gonna give up Paxton and Smoak, I want Butler and another solid spec.

If all this is true, either they think Montero can handle 1st, or they plan on trading him. And the only person I would consider trading him for is Stanton and guys like that, and I don't see that happening

I would do Paxton and Montero for Butler and Myers tho.

[drew_ellis_23]

I wouldnt trade Montero or Smoak. I wouldnt trade for Butler unless Montero is going to be our everyday catcher. And even then, Zunino is close to being ready. I just don't get it. I like Butler but don't see a fit. Unless he is cheap cause he is not enough of a upgrade over Smoak in my opinion. Not enough to give up one of the big 3 for sure.

[jej]

I wouldnt trade Montero or Smoak. I wouldnt trade for Butler unless Montero is going to be our everyday catcher. And even then, Zunino is close to being ready. I just don't get it. I like Butler but don't see a fit. Unless he is cheap cause he is not enough of a upgrade over Smoak in my opinion. Not enough to give up one of the big 3 for sure.

.313/.373/.510 --.377wOBA -- 140 wRC+ -- 29 HR isnt an upgrade over
.217/.290/.364 -- .288 wOBA -- 85 wRC+ and 19 HR?

I dont wanna give up on him yet either, but theres no way Smoak gets anywhere near that. Maybe .320 wOBA, 115 wRC+, but even thats unrealistic.

[drew_ellis_23]

.313/.373/.510 --.377wOBA -- 140 wRC+ -- 29 HR isnt an upgrade over
.217/.290/.364 -- .288 wOBA -- 85 wRC+ and 19 HR?

I dont wanna give up on him yet either, but theres no way Smoak gets anywhere near that. Maybe .320 wOBA, 115 wRC+, but even thats unrealistic.

Is that enough of a upgrade to deal one of our big three arms? That is what I am saying. Smoak will hit 30 homers this year. I will bet money on it. We need OF upgrades. Our OF is ******.

[jej]

I agree we need upgrade in the outfield. But to say Butler isnt an upgrade is ridiculous. I have some faith in Smoak, but I dont think its a guarantee that he improves.

I said before I dont really want to give up one of the Big 3. But Id go Erasmo or Maurer all day

[drew_ellis_23]

I agree we need upgrade in the outfield. But to say Butler isnt an upgrade is ridiculous. I have some faith in Smoak, but I dont think its a guarantee that he improves.

I said before I dont really want to give up one of the Big 3. But Id go Erasmo or Maurer all day

Never said he wasnt a upgrade over Smoak, just dont think he is enough. But if we can get him for Erasmo and some change I am all for that. Hell give them Vargas. Gives us a bat and sheds some payroll to spend on Grienke.

[jej]

would you go Erasmo, Vargas and Smoak for Butler and Felipe Paulino?

How sweet would Swisher/Hamilton and Butler be?