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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by EEasyA View Post
    Count me as not one of the red sox fan not down with the rebuild ear/bridge year.time to win Is now. We haven't made the playoffs in three years. We are the red sox.that's unacceptable.
    Think about it....

    There are only a few FA with serious talent, they will cost a ton, and are almost universally held as a bad fit in this market.

    Besides Salty, Iglesias, 2 LHH OF's, Aceves, and Aviles - what do we have to trade? Kids? The farm right now looks like it is ready to spew out as much or near as much talent as the 2005-2007 years. You want to ruin that for a few moderate guys in trade?

    We cannot win next year and will not win next year, no matter what. So instead of breaking ourselves on those shoals, why do we not look to 2014 or better yet 2015?

    Never mind my arguments, it is what will happen. We need like I said before BV was hired two full years to run the maggots out of here. If you want to label it "bridge" it's fine. A team that can repeat playoff visits cannot be built in a year with the raw materials we have in hand or that is available to us.

    Can not. Will not.


    6/27/09: “We expect [Rondo] to play by the rules and be a leader as a point guard. We need him to be more of a leader,” Ainge said. “There were just a couple situations where he was late this year, I don’t know if he was sitting in his car, but showed up late and the rest of the team was there. We have team rules and you have to be on time. He was fined for being late, he said he was stuck in traffic, and it’s just unacceptable.”

    Some jerks never learn.....

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    Great post bagsg

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    Just to bad thinking of last season thinking how maybe we could land Hamels or Matt Cain didn't think both would sign and neither could before the season started. Normally if you don't during off season then you end up testing free agency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petertherock View Post
    Either Lester or Buchholz is gone to make room for some young gun pitchers. Don't ask me who we should get but I predict the pitching staff will look a lot different next year. Plus we will have to deal with Shlackey.
    I don't think Buccholz gets traded. Lester maybe, but only after some of these young guys establish themselves.

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    Red Sox are prepared to make Josh Hamilton a major offer -- Lucchino wants him bad. Heard it first here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattski1991 View Post
    Red Sox are prepared to make Josh Hamilton a major offer -- Lucchino wants him bad. Heard it first here
    LOL good one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenmonster24 View Post
    Just to bad thinking of last season thinking how maybe we could land Hamels or Matt Cain didn't think both would sign and neither could before the season started. Normally if you don't during off season then you end up testing free agency.
    The Cain signing was surprising because i didnt think SF had it in them to commit to Cain before they did to Lincecum. Great decision though i applaud them for it. Posey, Cain, and Bumgarner are going to be there for a long time it seems and those are 3 great building blocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonSports96 View Post
    I don't think Buccholz gets traded. Lester maybe, but only after some of these young guys establish themselves.
    In the last two years Lester had 64 starts - 12 of which were poor.

    Some selected monthly ERA+

    2011 Apr: 2.52
    2011 Jun: 2.31
    2011 Jul: 1.56
    2011 Aug: 2.78
    2012 Jun: 4.01
    2012 Aug: 3.59
    2012 Sep: 3.96

    Trading the best SP (top 12 ML pitcher since 2008 (per rWAR) - better then Lincecum and Price) from a staff with distinct issues in the starting staff quality and depth for "kids" is unwarranted and unwise.
    Last edited by bagwell368; 10-07-2012 at 08:00 AM.


    6/27/09: “We expect [Rondo] to play by the rules and be a leader as a point guard. We need him to be more of a leader,” Ainge said. “There were just a couple situations where he was late this year, I don’t know if he was sitting in his car, but showed up late and the rest of the team was there. We have team rules and you have to be on time. He was fined for being late, he said he was stuck in traffic, and it’s just unacceptable.”

    Some jerks never learn.....

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    I am not tottally against bringing back Loney. We could probably get him cheap, and for 2 years. He is no A Gon, but we don't need that right now anyways. He is a serviceable 1b. We don't have trade anything for him either (i.e. Smoak, Davis). Loney actually seemed like he could fit well here also.

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    our free agents
    James Loney
    David Ortiz
    Cody Ross
    Dice K
    Cook
    Padilla

    trades i would do:
    trade Ellsbury, Melancon, Aceves, and Aviles to the mets for Jason Bay with cash and Ike Davis
    I would trade away a spec of two to get catcher Kurt Suzki

    free agent targets:
    B.J. Upton
    Stephen Drew
    Dan Haren
    Pierre
    Delmon Young

    Lineup
    LF Pierre .307 AVG 1 HR 25 RBI 37 SB
    2B Pedroia .290 AVG 15 HR 65 RBI 20 SB
    RF Young .267 AVG 18 HR 74 RBI 0 SB
    1B Davis .227 AVG 32 HR 90 RBI 0 SB
    CF Upton .246 AVG 28 HR 78 RBI 31 SB
    SS Drew .223 AVG 7 HR 28 RBI 1 SB
    3B Middlebrooks .288 AVG 15 HR 54 RBI 4 SB
    DH Bay .165 AVG 8 HR 20 RBI 5 SB
    C Suzuki .235 AVG 6 HR 43 RBI 2 SB

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    C/1B Salty .222 AVG 25 HR 59 RBI 0 SB
    INF Ciraco .293 AVG 2 HR 19 RBI 16 SB
    OF Sweeney .260 AVg 0 HR 16 RBI 0 SB
    OF Podsednik .302 AVG 1 HR 12 RBI 8 SB

    SP Haren 12-13 4.33 ERA 142 K's 176.2 IP
    SP Lester 9-14 4.82 ERA 166 K's 205.1 IP
    SP Buchholz 11-8 4.56 ERA 129 K's 189.1 IP
    SP Doubront 11-10 4.86 ERA 167 K's 161 IP
    SP Lackey N/A
    LRP Mortensen 1-1 3.21 ERA 42 IP
    MRP Miller 3-2 3.35 ERA 40.1 IP
    MRP Tazawa 1-1 1.43 ERA 44 IP
    MRP Hill 1-0 1.83 ERA 19 IP
    SU Bard 5-6 6.22 ERA 59.1 IP
    SU Breslow 3-0 2.70 ERA 63.1 IP
    CL Bailey 1-1 7.04 ERA 6 saves

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    Quote Originally Posted by yankkiller View Post
    trades i would do:
    trade Ellsbury, Melancon, Aceves, and Aviles to the mets for Jason Bay with cash and Ike Davis
    Did you check into the Mets needs?

    Do they need a failed closer who is an emotional basket case due for FA in 2015?

    Melancon? He sucks.

    Ellsbury - a one year rental - an expensive one, Mets competing for a title?

    Aviles - average SS, Mets have Tejada at SS and Wright at 3B - what do they need with Aviles?


    Bay? A complete train wreck bum. He insulted everyone on his way out of town and fell on his face in NY. Useless.

    The kernel of your deal is Ike Davis. They might be interested in Salty and a couple of decent specs for Davis. That's too much IMO.


    6/27/09: “We expect [Rondo] to play by the rules and be a leader as a point guard. We need him to be more of a leader,” Ainge said. “There were just a couple situations where he was late this year, I don’t know if he was sitting in his car, but showed up late and the rest of the team was there. We have team rules and you have to be on time. He was fined for being late, he said he was stuck in traffic, and it’s just unacceptable.”

    Some jerks never learn.....

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    I want Napoli on a 3 year deal (maybe 4 if thats what it takes), because he is a beast in fenway.

    Let him play some 1B, C, and DH.
    Jackie Bradley Junior.... that is all

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    Quote Originally Posted by bagwell368 View Post
    Did you check into the Mets needs?

    Do they need a failed closer who is an emotional basket case due for FA in 2015?

    Melancon? He sucks.

    Ellsbury - a one year rental - an expensive one, Mets competing for a title?

    Aviles - average SS, Mets have Tejada at SS and Wright at 3B - what do they need with Aviles?


    Bay? A complete train wreck bum. He insulted everyone on his way out of town and fell on his face in NY. Useless.

    The kernel of your deal is Ike Davis. They might be interested in Salty and a couple of decent specs for Davis. That's too much IMO.
    If we give up Ellsbury to get Davis i might kill myself

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    Quote Originally Posted by papipapsmanny View Post
    I want Napoli on a 3 year deal (maybe 4 if thats what it takes), because he is a beast in fenway.

    Let him play some 1B, C, and DH.
    Or maybe he was a beast in Fenway because he hit well against Red Sox pitching, not because of the park itself.

    Honestly, not terribly interested in a player who seems like a home and away platoon player.

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    yes of course over the duration of his career the sox have just had terrible pitching.
    Jackie Bradley Junior.... that is all

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