PG: Shaun Livingston
SG: JJ Redick
SF: Linas Kleiza / Aminu
PF: Jason Smith
C: Ian Mahinmi / Ben Wallace
PG: Luke Ridnour
SG: C.J Miles/Von Wafer
SF: Omri Casspi
PF: Jason Maxiell/Charlie Villanueva
C: Channing Frye
Bondi's bench is a team of scrubs apart from Redick. Livingstone's knees have made him a far below average player. Redick is also the only good shooter from deep.
Springfield have CJ Miles, Von Wafer, Casspi and Frye from deep. Villanueva alone makes this bench much better. Just because his contract is awful doesn't mean he's not a decent player still.
Bondi also has Ben Wallace teaming up with him and despite the fact that he may be a shell former self he was still a major contributor on the defensive end last season as his Pistons allowed 8.9 points more when he was off the floor than opposed to when he was on. . His presence alone on D was still extremely valuable. While his offense is nonexistent unlike the Pistons Bondi has solid offense at every position to help off set that.
Jason Smith averaged an efficient 10 and 5 last season for the Hornets. He has great value backing up Randolph because he can help his teams more ways than one. Yes I understand that he's playing off the bench now but that doesn't defeat the fact he is a capable player and far from a scrub.
Klieza also averaged close to 10 off the bench for the Raps and contrary to your notion is a quite capable three point shooter so JJ is not our only good shooter from deep, hell he even had a 30 point game off the bench for the Raps last season to go along with a couple 20+ outings. That's far from a scrub.
Yes they offer good spacing on their bench (something which we have plenty of in our starting line-up) but what about their D? They don't have a single even average defensive player on their bench. KG isn't going to play 48 minutes and neither is Nash so who is to say that when our 2nd unit comes on the floor and matches up against theirs with no KG on the floor that we wont absolutely go off on them?Springfield have CJ Miles, Von Wafer, Casspi and Frye from deep. Villanueva alone makes this bench much better. Just because his contract is awful doesn't mean he's not a decent player still.
Remember we have 3 bench players who averaged at our around 10 a game last season. At least off our bench we have Aminu, Mahinmi, Wallace (who guarded a heck of alot of PFs last season so if asked to cover Frye he won't be lost) and Livingston who has caused issues for smaller PGs in the past. Bondi's balance is way better with players with definite roles at each position. I really can't see how anyone would say that their bench is better than Bondi's.
Oh i forgot about Kleiza...but he's not great. He's been in a team that chucks up 3's like there's no tomorrow.
You do put up a compelling argument, i will give you that..but still not convinced
Springfield. They're a superior defensive basketball team, and with Nash at the helm, they'll still easily put up 100 points a game. Between Nash and Garnett, they have the perfect floor spaces and perimeter defenders in Lee and Rush, and Faried's high energy will be a major benefit in guarding Randolph and pounding the glass. Their bench is also superior (and it's not close).
I'm also a tad concerned about Randolph. He's coming off an injury that made him look a step slow at the end of last season. Can he come back? Possibly. Will he come back? I don't know that it's a foregone conclusion that he will. Also, I think Gortat is an overrated offensive player who is assisted on something like 80% of his NBA baskets (Nash effect).
And while I don't want to overrate this, I think you have to consider playoff experience and clutchness to some extent. If you had to have two guys lead a playoff team, you could do a hell of a lot worse than Nash and Garnett.
Springfield in six.
defensive off court on/off value to his team? Overrated defensively? I think not. He's quite easily a top 10 perimeter defensive player in the NBA today and possibly even top 5. His defensive RAPM (or Defense per 100) is the best of any perimeter player in the NBA and he's 2nd overall in all of the NBA in that category after Taj Gibson.
As for Thabo being a complete offensive liability I guess you value spacing more from bench players than you do starters because his three point shooting last season was helpful in offering spacing on offense for them.
Last season was a career year for Thabo shooting 3's (shooting .437%) with his career at .322, He also shot .276 in '10-'11.
He also attempted more 3's than ever before in his career.
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Can we get a score update?
http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/sho...2&postcount=54). I'll address your flat out wrong statement on our wings being too weak compared to Springfield, who has Rush and Lee...
While our wings aren't amazing by any means, they are both solid and the combination of Redick, Thabo and Dunleavy is definitely better than what they have at the wing spots.
As you can see here, Mike Dunleavy led the whole bunch in Win Shares, PER and WS/48. Redick and Rush had practically the same PER while Redick's WS/48 was much better. In fact, out of that group of wings, the only 2 players to have an above average WS/48 are on our team. Dunleavy and Redick have the best ORtg while Thabo has the best DRtg out of the bunch. Out of the bunch, Courtney Lee is the only player who is below average in TS% (and Lee is on Springfield). Redick and Dunleavy have the best Ast% out of the bunch while Thabo has the best Stl%.
To put it bluntly (and nicely), you're flat out wrong.
And of course, I'll let your woefully ignorant statement in bold speak for itself.
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