Top 10 Players in Heat History

[TylerSL]

Now that we have won a title with the big 3, where do you guys rank Lebron and Bosh as of right now?

I have it

1.Dwyane Wade
2.Alonzo Mourning
3.Tim Hardaway
4.Lebron James
5.Udonis Haslem
6.Shaquille O'Neal
7.Chris Bosh
8.Ronny Seikaly
9.Glen Rice
10.Eddie Jones

I do think Lebron and Bosh will both move up in this list, however after 2 years this is where I rank them.

[heattiltheend94]

1.Dwyane Wade
2.Alonzo Mourning
3.Lebron James
4.Tim Hardaway
5.Udonis Haslem
6.Shaquille O'Neal
7.Glen Rice
8.Chris Bosh
9.Eddie Jones
10.Ronny Seikaly

[SteBO]

I actually agree with your list Tyler.

[beasted86]

1. Dwyane Wade
2. Alonzo Mourning
3. Tim Hardaway
4. LeBron James
5. Shaquille O'Neal
6. Udonis Haslem
7. Ronny Seikaly
8. Chris Bosh
9. Glen Rice
10. Eddie Jones

LeBron should move past Hardaway as soon as this coming season. Bosh should eventually finish over Seikaly and Haslem, not sure he will pass O'Neal.

[greek miami hea]

1. Dwyane Wade
2. Alonzo Mourning
3. Tim Hardaway
4. LeBron James
5. Shaquille O'Neal
6. Udonis Haslem
7. Ronny Seikaly
8. Chris Bosh
9. Glen Rice
10. Eddie Jones

LeBron should move past Hardaway as soon as this coming season. Bosh should eventually finish over Seikaly and Haslem, not sure he will pass O'Neal.

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[Munkeysuit]

Wade
Mourning
Hardaway
Oneal
James
Haslem
Rice
Seikaly
Jones
Bosh
Thunder Dan

[TylerSL]

lotta love for Shaq in here. I think Haslem has easily been a bigger player for the Miami Heat in the 9 years he has been (2003-present) here compared to the 3.5 years Shaq was here (04-08).

[beasted86]

lotta love for Shaq in here. I think Haslem has easily been a bigger player for the Miami Heat in the 9 years he has been (2003-present) here compared to the 3.5 years Shaq was here (04-08).

Haslem's past 2 injury riddled/under-performing seasons have really slowed his progress. He should have passed Shaq, but IMO hasn't.

[KB-Pau-DH2012]

Sorry to butt in.

I really feel Shaq should be higher on the list, definitely over Haslem.

Shaq is the sole reason the Heat became a powerhouse and elite household name in the NBA when he was traded from the Lakers to MIA in the Summer of 2004. He is the guy that started the big superstar movement to MIA and made it "cool" for big stars to play in South Beach.


Remember, a lot of guys were happy to be signed by or traded to the Heat like Antoine Walker and Gary Payton because they wanted to play with a guy like Shaq, who had "been there and done that" in terms of Finals Appearances and NBA Titles (GP couldn't win with Shaq in LA in 04, so he got his redemption in 06). Riles the genius made the team in such a way that he surrounded Shaq and a young Wade with shooters that complimented them (Posey, Kapono, Walker, Jason Williams), just like when Shaq had Kobe in LA with shooters like Fish, Fox, Horry, Shaw (3 titles in 4 finals appearances) and in Orlando with Penny in shooters like D.Scott and Nick Anderson (1 finals appearance).


The system that Riles built in 04-05 (1 win away from the finals) and 05-06 (NBA title) was the whole ideal of the inside-outside game by having a dominating big man.


Yes, DWade was finals MVP with 34.7 PPG, but it was the system built around what a dominant big man like Shaq could do, and he basically helped a young DWade and taught him about how to win, which has carried over to Wade's career as he has taught (to a certain degree) LeBron in some ways how to win.



I understand Shaq left on some rotten terms with the organization, but you can't doubt the fact that his arrival in 2004 changed the entire culture of Miami Heat basketball and put a scare in the East for those couple of yrs when he arrived there in the summer of 04.

[Underdogz∞]

Wade should be higher

[TylerSL]

Sorry to butt in.

I really feel Shaq should be higher on the list, definitely over Haslem.

Shaq is the sole reason the Heat became a powerhouse and elite household name in the NBA when he was traded from the Lakers to MIA in the Summer of 2004. He is the guy that started the big superstar movement to MIA and made it "cool" for big stars to play in South Beach.


Remember, a lot of guys were happy to be signed by or traded to the Heat like Antoine Walker and Gary Payton because they wanted to play with a guy like Shaq, who had "been there and done that" in terms of Finals Appearances and NBA Titles (GP couldn't win with Shaq in LA in 04, so he got his redemption in 06). Riles the genius made the team in such a way that he surrounded Shaq and a young Wade with shooters that complimented them (Posey, Kapono, Walker, Jason Williams), just like when Shaq had Kobe in LA with shooters like Fish, Fox, Horry, Shaw (3 titles in 4 finals appearances) and in Orlando with Penny in shooters like D.Scott and Nick Anderson (1 finals appearance).


The system that Riles built in 04-05 (1 win away from the finals) and 05-06 (NBA title) was the whole ideal of the inside-outside game by having a dominating big man.


Yes, DWade was finals MVP with 34.7 PPG, but it was the system built around what a dominant big man like Shaq could do, and he basically helped a young DWade and taught him about how to win, which has carried over to Wade's career as he has taught (to a certain degree) LeBron in some ways how to win.



I understand Shaq left on some rotten terms with the organization, but you can't doubt the fact that his arrival in 2004 changed the entire culture of Miami Heat basketball and put a scare in the East for those couple of yrs when he arrived there in the summer of 04.

actually that is an excellent point.

[beasted86]

@ KB-Pau-DH2012

Some of your points are valid, but the fact is Shaq only played here 3.5 seasons, and left the team on bad terms. His career average with Miami is 19.5 PPG, 9.0 REB, 2.1 AST, 1.8 BLK 59% FG, 46% FT, but he holds almost no team records and wasn't drafted here obviously. Conversely Glen Rice was drafted here, and played 6 season with Miami averaging over that time 19.3 PPG, 5.0 REB, 2.2 AST, 1.2 STL, 46% FG, 39% 3PT, and holds quite a few team records still, and most people here don't even have him close to Shaq.

So I think Shaq is positioned pretty accurately and probably shouldn't be higher, especially given that he's given extra credit for a championship that Wade essentially carried us to. 34.7 PPG vs. 13.4 PPG in that finals series is just too large a disparity to try and give Shaq so much credit for Wade being a wrecking ball. As a matter of fact Antoine Walker averaged 13.2 PPG in that series, almost as much as Shaq. And Mourning and Haslem were by far bigger defensively than Shaq in that series.

So, Shaq shouldn't be higher. Though I agree Haslem, especially because of the last 2 seasons shouldn't be higher than Shaq, even if he is the hometown hero. If he had as big of an impact on this past Finals as he did in '06, I might give him the nod for playing a significant role in 2 championships, but because he didn't, Shaq is still ahead in my book.

[naps]

Shaq is the sole reason the Heat became a powerhouse

Sole reason?? Just go away!

Obviously Shaq made Miami a supreme contender but he wasn't the sole reason. Shaq was past his prime but still a tremendous second option. This is your cheap attempt to discredit Wade like you kobephiles always do. Had Wade not been injured in 2005 ECF who knows he probably would have 2 titles in first 2 years with a past prime Shaq. If anything that shows what Wade could have done if he played with a prime Shaq for 8 years

[KB-Pau-DH2012]

Sole reason?? Just go away!

Obviously Shaq made Miami a supreme contender but he wasn't the sole reason. Shaq was past his prime but still a tremendous second option. This is your cheap attempt to discredit Wade like you kobephiles always do. Had Wade not been injured in 2005 ECF who knows he probably would have 2 titles in first 2 years with a past prime Shaq. If anything that shows what Wade could have done if he played with a prime Shaq for 8 years

The difference of replies between TylerSL and beasted86's responses, and then of your response of course, typical immature mundane replies like usual.


Learn from them naps you troll, learn from them.

[TylerSL]

@ KB-Pau-DH2012

Some of your points are valid, but the fact is Shaq only played here 3.5 seasons, and left the team on bad terms. His career average with Miami is 19.5 PPG, 9.0 REB, 2.1 AST, 1.8 BLK 59% FG, 46% FT, but he holds almost no team records and wasn't drafted here obviously. Conversely Glen Rice was drafted here, and played 6 season with Miami averaging over that time 19.3 PPG, 5.0 REB, 2.2 AST, 1.2 STL, 46% FG, 39% 3PT, and holds quite a few team records still, and most people here don't even have him close to Shaq.

So I think Shaq is positioned pretty accurately and probably shouldn't be higher, especially given that he's given extra credit for a championship that Wade essentially carried us to. 34.7 PPG vs. 13.4 PPG in that finals series is just too large a disparity to try and give Shaq so much credit for Wade being a wrecking ball. As a matter of fact Antoine Walker averaged 13.2 PPG in that series, almost as much as Shaq. And Mourning and Haslem were by far bigger defensively than Shaq in that series.

So, Shaq shouldn't be higher. Though I agree Haslem, especially because of the last 2 seasons shouldn't be higher than Shaq, even if he is the hometown hero. If he had as big of an impact on this past Finals as he did in '06, I might give him the nod for playing a significant role in 2 championships, but because he didn't, Shaq is still ahead in my book.

I get that there is a solid arguement for Shaq>Haslem but you really cant fault Haslem for 10-11 like you're doing because he only played in like 16 games before he broke his foot, then made a return and completly changed the ECF against the Bulls. And in the 16 games before his injury he was as good as he had ever been. But you're right, he hasnt nearly been the same since he broke his foot. Right now I think after both yours and KB-Pau-DH2012's arguement, I would have Shaq above Haslem, however I could see Haslem passing him before he hangs it up.