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  1. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by CubsBullsBucs View Post
    plus a lot of players hit better at home anyways, so i dont think the splits are dramatic enough to say that he was only good because of coors
    There's no question he hit better because he played at Coors though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CubsBullsBucs View Post
    plus a lot of players hit better at home anyways, so i dont think the splits are dramatic enough to say that he was only good because of coors
    True. But he got help from Coors

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    Should he? I believe so. But doubt he does.

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    We won't see it again until Jeter or mo retire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CubsBullsBucs View Post
    plus a lot of players hit better at home anyways, so i dont think the splits are dramatic enough to say that he was only good because of coors
    Coors is on another level though. The numbers for a good chunk of their hitters are bloated from playing there, there's no doubt about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halladaymvp View Post
    Coors is on another level though. The numbers for a good chunk of their hitters are bloated from playing there, there's no doubt about it.
    Andrés Galarraga loved Coors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankees 1903 View Post
    Andrés Galarraga loved Coors.
    So did most guys who hit there, remember Vinny Castilla, Larry Walker, Ellis Burks and Dante Bichette.

    They mashed in the late 90s there.

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    He should, but he won't. Plus you can't just throw out the Coors numbers they did happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CubsBullsBucs View Post
    Chipper is arguably the best player in Braves franchise history other than Hank Aaron. Helton is arguably the best Rockie in franchise history period. Chipper might have a shot at another ring this year, but Helton's Rockies will most likely not have a shot next year. Either way, i think Todd Helton has earned the same respect that Chipper Jones has earned throughout his career. Do you?
    Chipper isn't as good as Eddie Mathews

    I think you could do better with the stats you have used. You could start with looking at Helton's home v road splits and explain the insane difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CubsBullsBucs View Post
    plus a lot of players hit better at home anyways, so i dont think the splits are dramatic enough to say that he was only good because of coors
    The average hitter hits 004 OPS+ better at home than the road.

    Helton's split is quite a few times that.

    On the road he's JD Drew, at home he's Frank Thomas. So are other Coors hitters.

    He doesn't deserve, nor will he get the respect Chipper has.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankees 1903 View Post
    Jones is elite at his position while Helton is good but is not going to be remembered as one of the best 1B of all time.
    Quite so. Chipper is around #4-5 for 3B, Helton won't crack the top 15, and when the current crop retire a few more will pass him by - and that's including his insane Coors numbers.

    On top of that Helton lost his power some years back, so now he's a .320 15 HR 40 2B, high OBP hitter, with OK SLG. Good, but not HOF great.
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    He should, he's the best Rockie ever and he's loyal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UPRock View Post
    He should, he's the best Rockie ever and he's loyal.
    yes

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    Helton's not even close to being in Chipper Jones class.

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    Chipper is pretty far away better than Helton


    Chipper is more in Jeter's class. Helton is more in......well I'm not sure what current player's class he would be in, but it's behind those two.

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