NN, I don't claim to know whether you're in med school or not. I'm willing to take your word for it for the sake of our discussions here.
So if so, and I don't want to be condescending here, but I really hope you get with it, man. A doctor not believing in evolution is like a physicist not believing in gravity, and that is not exaggeration or hyperbole. It's a foundational premise of what the entire body of medical science is built upon.
Let's set aside for now the facts or evidence of evolution. What concerns me more is that your thinking seems to be pretty unscientific. For example, some of the phrases you used in your reply to me on the previous page:
I'm sure there's more to it, so I'm not trying to say this as a complete cop out, but why isn't any emphasis put on this information when compared to your original statement?how confident can we be of the knowledge we derive from it?But science always seems to kind of push it to the side. Why do I hear time and time againBased on statements like these, its seems to me that you may not have an adequate understanding of how the scientific process works, including critical stages such as peer review, the reproducibility of experiments, the importance of consensus in the scientific literature over time. When you say something like, "Why isn't any emphasis put on this information...?" you're implying that scientists have a proactive agenda of promoting certain outcomes. The fact that you could believe this, to me demonstrates that you don't understand the checks and balances in the process that marginalize scientists who are fudging results or, generally speaking, doing bad science. Ulitimately, their careers don't survive the scrutiny.I get this feeling that with many things regarding evolution, science only gives one side of the story. I believe the STRENGTH of certain evidence is somewhat falsified.
Great example is Fleischmann and Pons and cold fusion. What outcome of any scientific experiment could be more desirable than a practially limitless energy supply? Everyone - including scientists, of course - would wish that this were truly achievable technology. But it didn't take long for the process to shake things out and prove those guys wrong.
You pose a lot of vague questions and innuendos ("I get this feeling that with many things regarding evolution, science only gives one side of the story") which to me seem crafted -- deliberately or not -- to raise a specter of doubt about evolution as we now have (rightfully) about cold fusion, but what you don't do is back it up.
The team that claimed cold fusion made falsifiable hypotheses with ultimately were, in fact, falsified.
The theory of evolution, too, makes plenty of falsifiable hypotheses. So where's the beef? Why hasn't any scientist won his or her Nobel Prize for disproving evolution yet?
Asking questions, doubting, that's fine. But to continue to doubt despite overwhelming evidence, that's denying reality.
Not that conviction should ever be, or is, 100% in science. It's always provisional, and pending further discoveries. But evolution is so well established and supported by evidence at this point, that it's simply one of those things in science -- such as the fact that the Earth revolves around the Sun -- which we now understand much too conclusively for it plausibly to ever be overturned by new evidence.
well, these phrases reflect what I've seen from experts on evolution and even professors of evolution (I've seen some online classes in which professors are addressing a class full of students). Is it wrong that I pointed that out?
hah, why u say unfortunately?
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ohh yea, u got me. U got me there bud. Not only did you figure out my bs story about my school, but you also noticed how I tried to entirely change the subject in hopes that no one would remember what we were talking about. MAN, u are a sharp one. I'll tell you that. I thought I was sharp, but wow, not compared to you.
Oh my god, shut up. I'd like to not have these threads locked over stupid ********.
really? this thread is really going to be locked over what I said? really? or did you just want to vent? be real. vent. Its all good.
ur not the only one that can go from 0 to a-hole in 2 seconds
^^btw, word #3 is in direct violation of rule #2. You might wanna watch it, last thing we want to happen is for the thread to get locked
I wasn't only talking to you, which is why I didn't quote you - or anyone else - when I said that.