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    Quote Originally Posted by PredatorPeppers View Post
    Peppers has 7 double digit sack seasons, Strahan and Taylor have 6.
    This is a classic example of arbitrary endpoints. Why is 10 sacks the cut-off? Peppers has one more 10+ sack season, but what about 12+ sack seasons?

    Peppers: 3
    Strahan: 4
    Taylor: 5

    13+?

    Peppers: 2
    Strahan: 4
    Taylor: 4

    14+?

    Peppers: 1
    Strahan: 4
    Taylor: 2

    15+?

    Peppers: 0
    Strahan: 3
    Taylor: 1

    18+?

    Peppers: 0
    Taylor: 1
    Strahan: 2

    You see what just happened?

    Peppers is going to pass them in sack totals
    Through their first 10 seasons in the league, they each averaged the following sack totals per year:

    Peppers: 10
    Strahan: 9.6
    Taylor: 10.6

    Taylor was actually the better pass rusher between the two early in his career, but they're all basically even. Both Taylor and Strahan began to age their 11th year, and Peppers looks about the same. We'll see what the future holds. There is no guarantee he passes them.

    If Taylor hadn't been moved to OLB and asked to play even more coverage and rush the passer even less, and hadn't been sent to rot away in WAS and gotten injured, he'd have had much higher sack totals. The point being, we don't know what the next 5 years hold for Peppers, or if he'll even get 5 more. It is hardly a guarantee he'll pass them in sacks, considering he is already behind Taylor's pace.

    and just about every other statistic, although Taylor is impressive with his forced fumble totals and passes defensed.
    Actually, Peppers is almost exactly at the same rate in tackles, though barely behind (Taylor had 392 in his first 10 seasons, Pepper 391). Again, it is hardly a guarantee. He's behind Taylor's pace for his career. When you add assists, Taylor dwarfs Peppers through his first 10 years (596 - 478).

    Likewise, PFR has the "Approximated Value" wehreby they try to give a number to the player's value, and Peppers is behind Taylor's pace in that as well (124 in 10 years, as opposed to Taylor's 127).

    Simply put, Peppers isn't on pace to beat Taylor in any major statistical category for defensive line, Sacks, or solo tackles, total tackles, forced fumbles, passes defended, or Approximated value.

    The only thing he's on pace to beat Taylor in is INT. That is all.

    Again, if you want to believe Peppers was better, fine. At least get the facts correct, my man.
    Last edited by WadeKobe; 09-18-2012 at 08:39 PM.

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    Why are Admins not addressing this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wade>Kobe View Post
    This is a classic example of arbitrary endpoints. Why is 10 sacks the cut-off? Peppers has one more 10+ sack season, but what about 12+ sack seasons?

    Peppers: 3
    Strahan: 4
    Taylor: 5

    So.... ??



    Through their first 10 seasons in the league, they each averaged the following sack totals per year:

    Peppers: 10
    Strahan: 9.6
    Taylor: 10.6

    Taylor was actually the better pass rusher between the two early in his career, but they're all basically even. Both Taylor and Strahan began to age their 11th year, and Peppers looks about the same. We'll see what the future holds. There is no guarantee he passes them.

    If Taylor hadn't been moved to OLB and asked to play even more coverage and rush the passer even less, and hadn't been sent to rot away in WAS and gotten injured, he'd have had much higher sack totals. The point being, we don't know what the next 5 years hold for Peppers, or if he'll even get 5 more. It is hardly a guarantee he'll pass them in sacks, considering he is already behind Taylor's pace.



    Actually, Peppers is almost exactly at the same rate in tackles, though barely behind (Taylor had 392 in his first 10 seasons, Pepper 391). Again, it is hardly a guarantee. He's behind Taylor's pace for his career. When you add assists, Taylor dwarfs Peppers through his first 10 years (596 - 478).

    Likewise, PFR has the "Approximated Value" wehreby they try to give a number to the player's value, and Peppers is behind Taylor's pace in that as well (124 in 10 years, as opposed to Taylor's 127).

    Simply put, Peppers isn't on pace to beat Taylor in any major statistical category for defensive line, Sacks, or solo tackles, total tackles, forced fumbles, passes defended, or Approximated value.

    The only thing he's on pace to beat Taylor in is INT. That is all.

    Again, if you want to believe Peppers was better, fine. At least get the facts correct, my man.
    you just made predator peppers your girlfriend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wade>Kobe View Post
    This is a classic example of arbitrary endpoints. Why is 10 sacks the cut-off? Peppers has one more 10+ sack season, but what about 12+ sack seasons?

    Peppers: 3
    Strahan: 4
    Taylor: 5

    13+?

    Peppers: 2
    Strahan: 4
    Taylor: 4

    14+?

    Peppers: 1
    Strahan: 4
    Taylor: 2

    15+?

    Peppers: 0
    Strahan: 3
    Taylor: 1

    18+?

    Peppers: 0
    Taylor: 1
    Strahan: 2



    Through their first 10 seasons in the league, they each averaged the following sack totals per year:

    Peppers: 10
    Strahan: 9.6
    Taylor: 10.6

    Taylor was actually the better pass rusher between the two early in his career, but they're all basically even. Both Taylor and Strahan began to age their 11th year, and Peppers looks about the same. We'll see what the future holds. There is no guarantee he passes them.

    If Taylor hadn't been moved to OLB and asked to play even more coverage and rush the passer even less, and hadn't been sent to rot away in WAS and gotten injured, he'd have had much higher sack totals. The point being, we don't know what the next 5 years hold for Peppers, or if he'll even get 5 more. It is hardly a guarantee he'll pass them in sacks, considering he is already behind Taylor's pace.



    Actually, Peppers is almost exactly at the same rate in tackles, though barely behind (Taylor had 392 in his first 10 seasons, Pepper 391). Again, it is hardly a guarantee. He's behind Taylor's pace for his career. When you add assists, Taylor dwarfs Peppers through his first 10 years (596 - 478).

    Likewise, PFR has the "Approximated Value" wehreby they try to give a number to the player's value, and Peppers is behind Taylor's pace in that as well (124 in 10 years, as opposed to Taylor's 127).

    Simply put, Peppers isn't on pace to beat Taylor in any major statistical category for defensive line, Sacks, or solo tackles, total tackles, forced fumbles, passes defended, or Approximated value.

    The only thing he's on pace to beat Taylor in is INT. That is all.

    Again, if you want to believe Peppers was better, fine. At least get the facts correct, my man.
    Peppers will remain a beast for much longer than Taylor, Peppers is a physical freak and can play at a high level until he is 40, I believe Peppers has yet to have his best season. Taylor was a beast, but Peppers is more dominant all around including against the run.

    Lets compare them again when Peppers is retired.

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    All are great players but IMO Ware is the best of the bunch. Peppers and Ware's main job is to get to the QB 1st and also hold thier own in the run game 2nd. Ware in 3 less years as the same amount of sacks and tackles for loss then Peppers. ESPN just said Ware 2nd youngest player EVER to 100 sacks behid the great Reggie White so enough said IMO

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    I'll also add Peppers has made 1 more pro bowl, 1 more second team all pro, and the same amount of 1st team all pros so far. Peppers won defensive rookie of the year, Taylor won DPOTY, Peppers will get a DPOTY before his career is over. And possibly a Super Bowl ring.

    Peppers will destroy Taylor's career accomplishments when it's all said and done.
    Last edited by PredatorPeppers; 09-18-2012 at 08:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NFLNBA View Post
    All are great players but IMO Ware is the best of the bunch. Peppers and Ware's main job is to get to the QB 1st and also hold thier own in the run game 2nd. Ware in 3 less years as the same amount of sacks and tackles for loss then Peppers. ESPN just said Ware 2nd youngest player EVER to 100 sacks behid the great Reggie White so enough said IMO
    Actually Peppers first responsibility is to stop the run, then get to the quarterback second, Ware just pins his ears back and rushes the QB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PredatorPeppers View Post
    I'll also add Peppers has made 1 more pro bowl, 1 more second team all pro, and the same amount of 1st team all pros so far. Peppers won defensive rookie of the year, Taylor won DPOTY, Peppers will get a DPOTY before his career is over. And possibly a Super Bowl ring.

    Peppers will destroy Taylor career accomplishments when it's all said and done.
    (1) Again, Pro bowl and all pro are meaningless. They are popularity awards given out by the media, who are consistently about 10-15 years behind what is going on in sports analysis.

    (2) Yet you have nothing to base any of this on except for your own biased opinion. That's fine, but let's call it what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PredatorPeppers View Post
    Peppers will remain a beast for much longer than Taylor, Peppers is a physical freak and can play at a high level until he is 40, I believe Peppers has yet to have his best season. Taylor was a beast, but Peppers is more dominant all around including against the run.

    Lets compare them again when Peppers is retired.
    Dude your a homer man, we can all tell youd suck off peppers pepper lol Face it man, while peppers is a great player he isnt the best! The most important stats when it comes to edge rushers and d-lineman again sacks, pressures and tackles.tackles for loss. Ware in 7 years has done what Peppers has done in 10. Taylor also as of now still has the better stats but that will change when Peppers retires i agree but still Ware will dominate Peppers final numbers bearing any career injury

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wade>Kobe View Post
    (1) Again, Pro bowl and all pro are meaningless. They are popularity awards given out by the media, who are consistently about 10-15 years behind what is going on in sports analysis.

    (2) Yet you have nothing to base any of this on except for your own biased opinion. That's fine, but let's call it what it is.
    It may be a bit biased, but so is yours considering you are a Dolphins fan. Anyhow, I see with my own eyes that Peppers is just the much bigger, stronger, more physically dominant player and dominates the football field more so than Taylor did. I also forgot special teams, Peppers 12 blocked kicks, Taylor 2 blocked kicks. Another area where Peppers has a huge impact for his team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NFLNBA View Post
    Dude your a homer man, we can all tell youd suck off peppers pepper lol Face it man, while peppers is a great player he isnt the best! The most important stats when it comes to edge rushers and d-lineman again sacks, pressures and tackles.tackles for loss. Ware in 7 years has done what Peppers has done in 10. Taylor also as of now still has the better stats but that will change when Peppers retires i agree but still Ware will dominate Peppers final numbers bearing any career injury
    Ware is overrated and not on the same playing field as Julius Peppers.

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    Peppers has the same amount of pressures as Ware, at least over the last 3 years....that is a feat in and of itself considering Ware sees 1 on 1 matchups against running backs due to the fact he is a 3-4 outside linebacker.

    Peppers 93 pressures over the last 3 seasons
    Ware 93 as well

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/pla...julius-peppers

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/pla.../demarcus-ware

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    Quote Originally Posted by PredatorPeppers View Post
    Peppers has the same amount of pressures as Ware, at least over the last 3 years....that is a feat in and of itself considering Ware sees 1 on 1 matchups against running backs due to the fact he is a 3-4 outside linebacker.

    Peppers 93 pressures over the last 3 seasons
    Ware 93 as well

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/pla...julius-peppers

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/pla.../demarcus-ware
    Thats pressures now look at sacks and tackles the last 3 years. Remember Ware is "3" years younger and while there stats are equal as of now Ware is producing better numbers year after year now and will play a couple years after Peppers time is up.

    Its easy to see Ware will have better numbers when their career's are over and prob be lopsided.

    But again they both will be HOF'ers and are both great but your obviously a homer who cant see anything but his man crush of peppers

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    Quote Originally Posted by NFLNBA View Post
    Thats pressures now look at sacks and tackles the last 3 years. Remember Ware is "3" years younger and while there stats are equal as of now Ware is producing better numbers year after year now and will play a couple years after Peppers time is up.

    Its easy to see Ware will have better numbers when their career's are over and prob be lopsided.

    But again they both will be HOF'ers and are both great but your obviously a homer who cant see anything but his man crush of peppers
    Peppers is 32, Ware is 30, that is a 2 year difference in age.

    Ware may have a few more sacks, and tackles, considering he is a linebacker and free to roam to make tackles where as Peppers is double teamed half the time allowing his linebackers, Briggs and Urlacher to make tackles and plays on the ball. Anyhow, Peppers will dominate nearly every other statistical category, as well as being remembered as one of the best DE to play against the run as well. Peppers > Ware anyway you want to look at it.

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    At the moment Peppers is rated as the 92nd best player of all time on pro football reference.

    Taylor is 103. These numbers could change, as they jump around as more people vote for the best players, but Peppers is already in contention with Taylor as the better player, when Peppers retires, he will be light years ahead.

    Peppers will move quite a bit higher on their list before he retires. Also, that site is wrong as far as Peppers being a 6 time pro bowler, he is a 7 time pro bowler and I emailed them to let them know to fix it, and they said they are going to, as well as all the pro bowl alternate players from last season will all get that extra pro bowl under their name.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.co...P/PeppJu99.htm

    http://www.pro-football-reference.co...T/TaylJa03.htm
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